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submitted 6 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) by schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works to c/asklemmy@lemmy.world

I realize I've spent over a year in an organization where things kept falling apart because, ultimately, people in the organization just plain didn't like me.

It started, perhaps, when I brought up that HR's onboarding process made me uncomfortable because it involved a third-party sending out a third-party email to go to a third-party website to entire our personal information. Since this was a training by the larger corporate IT department, and we had just finished talking about the dangers of phishing, I thought it was a good time to mention it.

Mistake.

The next week I was visited by someone who took issue with, "not what I said, but the way I said it". Lesson: don't embarass HR in company-wide trainings.

Anyway, after a few similar call outs by me, I was labelled a trouble-maker, sidelined, ignored, and mistreated. This is an organization, I note, that assiduously avoids contradicting or discomfiting superiors in ANY way. That is deffos not my style.

Anyway, my question really isn't about my toxic workplace, but what you learned about YOURSELF by working in a place that didn't like you.

I'll give you two more stories:

1

When I just graduated from school, I started working with a team model. I was paired with someone with fewer certifications, and I was to lead us boldly on our mission. The person I was assigned was a very beaten-down older, brown woman in a field dominated by young white women (seemingly universally with long, straight hair). She seemed to be universally disliked and disrespected by everyone. Because I was incompetent both at my job and my Spanish (sabo kid in denial), this woman essentially did my job and HERS and still got treated like absolute shit.

She invited me to an event that had nothing to do with work, an event for an organization she volunteered for where she was on the board. People treated her with respect and, in return, she was bright and bubbly. I saw a completely different side of her that night.

Lesson: Where we are beaten down, we get small. Where we are supported, we flourish.

(Kind of an aside, she was from a small country, and when I told her I was visiting, she INSISTED I go see one of her family members; he turned out to be an extremely well placed person in the government; she wasn't royalty, exactly, but she had a social prestige in her country that was unsustainable as a middle-aged brown woman with an accent in the USA.)

2

I was working retail at one store. I'd been there for maybe two years. I always lived in fear of being fired, and when I made mistakes that I worried about getting me fired, nothing happened. I learned that, ultimately, what mattered is if people liked you, and, there, people liked me.

I eventually had to leave because of some restructuring but the manager found me the EXACT SAME POSITION at a nearby store. After a few weeks, I noticed people did NOT like me. Conversations were kept short, nobody ever volunteered to talk to me,. I got along with exactly one cashier, who was an awesome dude. It wasn't a horrible experience, I was allowed to do my job and I did, but there was always an empty, hollow feeling.

Then the original store invited me back and it was like night and day. "Oh, so this is how people act when they like you." I'd almost forgotten. I loved going into to work to see my work buddies and I loved shooting the shit with them during downtime.

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[-] 87Six@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 hour ago

I've learned how to enjoy it, when I am disliked by the scum of the earth, I fucking love it.

[-] SayJess@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 3 hours ago

I’ve learned that working very closely with someone, night after night, does not mean that they can be trusted. I’m not talking about money. The sobering realization that everyone knew about the rumor, and no one said anything. No one had my back. And I think Team Lead was the originator.

What do you expect? You work in a factory

Thanks supervisor

You may see the same cast of characters, day in and out, but you don’t know the actors. It’s best to work with that in mind.

That said, a coworker invited me over to dinner just the other day. So that rule is obviously not an absolute. Since the rumor, though, this is how I approach things.

[-] SharkWeek@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 3 hours ago

That it doesn't matter how good you are at your job, if someone above you doesn't like you they'll fuck you over sooner or later.

So, now I play politics and use gentle language to handle fragile men.

[-] UPGRAYEDD@lemmy.world 8 points 3 hours ago

I have never been the center of dislike at the company i have worked for. I have been disliked by singular people, and it has hurt personally, but not affected me professionally.

I have however worked for 2 companies where i disliked the majority of my co workers. I have found that how much i look back at the time i have spent working, my enjoyment at the places i have worked is more about how much i liked my co workers and less to do with the work itself. Even in places where the work was hard and long hours, if they were with people i enjoyed, i still look back fondly.

[-] Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 points 4 hours ago

Knew that before but it reinforces that: unions matter, you owe your company nothing

[-] schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 hours ago

Which union are you talking about? There isn't a single union in my entire industry as far as I know.

[-] Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 3 hours ago

There always is a workers union. Just because your workplace hasnt fully unionized doesnt mean YOU cant join one

[-] schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 hours ago

I mean, that sounds fine, I guess, but what's the point of joining a union when you're the only person in the union at your job, other than to paint a target on your back?

[-] PlexSheep@infosec.pub 6 points 3 hours ago

Unions also give you an insurance. They have lawyer experts for work and social policy matters, for example.

Besides the whole chicken and egg thing.

[-] Iconoclast@feddit.uk 2 points 2 hours ago

Turns out that the vast majority of people don't actually dislike me - I just think they do.

[-] Zedd00@lemmy.dbzer0.com 27 points 6 hours ago

The onboarding processes at most companies is broken. The bigger the company, the more likely it's terrible.

[-] schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works 14 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

The big companies I've worked for tend to keep you in their weird bloated and labyrynthine propietary HR systems. Here it was some random site I've never heard of before with an e-mail like, "Bro, we heard you got a new job. Enter all your bank account info on our awesome website."

Among the MANY HR e-mails (directly from HR) was one saying that I would receive an email from this site, so they made SOME kind of effort to not make it completely blind, but, really, all they're doing is training employees to be phished.

[-] DudeWhoYapsTooMuch@lemmy.world 4 points 4 hours ago

I learned that people are overrated but also needed to make things much easier to be in the know about certain things. Yeah, it's great being your own person and outside of the influence, but when you know shit, you know the real shit, the drama, what's going to happen. You're interested as well.

[-] schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 hours ago

I, uh, kind of don't understand what you're saying.

Hawkeye Pierce has always sort of been my ideal hero--someone able to speak his mind freely because he was indispensable. Unfortunately, I'm not an ace surgeon in a theater of war; I'm highly replacable.

[-] MrSulu@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 hours ago

People can be shits just to follow a crowd and justify it hower it suits them

[-] schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works 9 points 6 hours ago

So what I learned from my experiences are:

  1. I don't really fit in in an organization of ass inveterate, invertebrate kissers.

  2. Sometimes people don't like me and there's not much I can do about it.

  3. If I'm in a place where people don't like me AND I'm not respected, I'm probably going to be acting "irrationally" eventually (I call this the Palestinian Problem), because the context of nobody ever having your back is fucking exhausting. I remember at a holiday party, one supervisor gathered everyone him to discuss "the true dysfunction" of the person he'd just fired. I thought, "huh, that's an odd way to be talking about an ex-employee at a company party" followed by "huh, I wonder what you did to piss her off that much--I doubt you'll tell us."

  4. I'm actually OK with not being liked. It's fine. I know what I'm good at and my style of working with other people, I just need to find the a place that appreciates that.

[-] theherk@lemmy.world 3 points 4 hours ago

Have you considered the possibility that you are in any part culpable for this? I’m not at all saying you are, but I have a few times worked with people that thought they were beyond reproach but were actually just insufferable. Even when they were sometimes correct, they did harm the group by not being able to read the room and work together.

Again, no blame. May not be the case at all here. Just wondering if it had crossed your mind.

[-] schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works 4 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

I don't want this whole thread to be about me and my situation, but, yes, I do consider my role in things, absolutely. I also consider the whole context, too, and sometimes I'm reacting in a way that seems bad in isolation, but looked at in context makes TOTAL sense.

A good workplace will work through things with you and listen.

Three weeks ago, I had an issue with a boss making an emotionally-charged and urgent demand on me that was a total reversal of previous policy. I told him I didn't appreciate it, and he got mad, basically threatening to fire me if I continued the conversation, "be very careful what you say next." He's also said the phrase, "You work for me," more than once to end conversations.

This week he called me into his office to say, "I sense there is something personal between us. Would you like to talk about it?"

And I said, honestly, "No, I'm not comfortable talking with you alone about it."

And he said, "OK," with a sense of relief.

So basically, I said "You've created a work environment so hostile I am uncomfortable criticizing you in any way for fear of getting fired." And his response was basically, "Well, thank G*d I don't have to do anything more about that."

I mean, ok, I get it, I can be a little rough around the edges, and I'm autistic enough to have been evaluated for autism but not autistic enough to have gotten the diagnosis, but toxic work environments DO exist, and I suspect I am in one.

Edit: I can also add today's story, where I had a bad reaction to a coworker from another department telling me to do something against policy. She was very rude about it and dismissive and refused to give me an even minimal exception that would justify me violating the policy. I stormed out (autistically?) while my supervisor observed the whole thing.

Later, I asked why my supervisor why she didn't back me up; she said I overreacted and asked her what exactly I expected of her. I told her I expected her to not let someone from another department harass one of her workers into violating policy. My supervisor just ended the conversation, literally refusing to hear my side of it.

So, like, I'm totally willing to look at my side of things. I shouldn't have stormed off. But what really irked me more than the disrespect I got from the co-worker was the placid non-defense I got from my supervisor. It just reinforces that people don't like me there and are perfectly fine treating me like garbage.

Anyway, I also reached out to someone else involved and apparently there WAS a reason behind the request; I don't think it rose to an exception and I would have refused just the same, but it's just yet another example of the total lack of respect I get at this workplace that I was expected to violate policy just because someone was telling me to.

This is fine. Everything is fine.

[-] theherk@lemmy.world 3 points 3 hours ago

That’s a very thoughtful reply, and I just want to apologize for implying you are a problem at all. Good that this crosses your mind. I’ve definitely been in similar situations, and sometimes I come away thinking, “maybe I was wrong here,” where other times it’s more, “they’re so wrong.” So it goes both ways. I really didn’t mean to make it about you.

But my actual key learning in decades of work is about my own introspection. Recognizing one’s own biases and considering one’s own role in bad vibes is very helpful. Sounds like you do that too.

As an aside, I’ve also found sometimes a situation gets ahead of its own skiis and it is very difficult to change course. I’ve been in workplaces where a group really hates me, and it bums me out because I can sometimes see where it went of the rails… but there is just no putting the train back on the track sometimes and it sucks.

[-] mannycalavera@feddit.uk 3 points 5 hours ago

Is it possible that you have undiagnosed autism? Maybe find a place to work that specifically calls out they are neurodivergent friendly and know how to work with autistic people like yourself?

[-] schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works 4 points 4 hours ago

I've definitely got a touch of the 'tism, but couldn't get a diagnosis for it.

I think for me the problem is not that I'm unaware of people feelings, but that I don't consider them as the first and only thing to worry about.

I think in environments where people are basically there to service the egos of their superiors, it's a real liability. But I'm still thinking that kind of organization as toxic and the problem. I feel like I'm flexible enough to handle a work environment that is minimally healthy.

[-] starlinguk@lemmy.world 4 points 4 hours ago

Yeah, my brother went through 14 jobs until he found a boss who "got" him and was prepared to put a bit of work in (work my mother should have done when raising him). He's been working there for decades.

[-] schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

The place that really liked me was chockablock with computer nerds...

Oh, shit.

[-] hungrythirstyhorny@lemmy.world 3 points 6 hours ago

hmm, someone or maybe whole workplace is trying to get you out of the company.

[-] schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 hours ago

I think they're too lazy for that, honestly; haven't written me up for anything and my last performance review was stellar.

Probably hoping I'll quit.

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