Like the title says, my partner's laptop was still running Windows 10 and they got infected with a backdoor malware. We'll need to reset her computer. It's an Asus Tuf Gaming A15.

She's been using Windows 10 for as long as she could but support is running out. At her work the computers are on Windows 11 and she hates it. Plus she's fervently anti-AI and wants none of that forced Copilot bullshit and privacy eroding features of Windows 11. She's seen me use it for over a year now and I also installed it on our old OG 1st gen MS Surface Pro table and she sees how well it's going. So now she wants Linux on her laptop.

After careful consideration and comparisons, I've decided to go with Zorin OS. I thought of Linux Mint, but it just looks so dated. There are inconistencies in the looks and I feel it lacks some features that I found that Zorin OS has. (It's essentially Gnome with QoL extras.) My only concern is that Zorin has Snaps out of the box but I don't think that's a concern for her. I'll install it on a BTRFS partition with automatic snapshots and grub-btrfs to recover from snapshots. And I'll schedule monthly backups of her files through rsync, or whatever the built-in backup tool does, onto an external drive.

I've tried Zorin on a VM and it was already outstanding. On the live USB session it was able to detect her NVidia card and recommend either the nouveau or NVidia proprietary driver. Everything worked out of the box. So I'm fairly confident everything will work well. One concern I have is she uses her personal laptop for work, and needs to connect to her work's Microsoft account. I see there's an accounts section in the settings where this can be set up, but I've never used it, so that'll be a first. Her work also requires Cisco AnyConnect VPN client. There is a Linux client, but you need a Cisco account to download it, and her work IT department does not support Linux, so I don't know if she'll be able to get it. One of the IT people has Linux on his machine and was able to set it up so maybe we'll rely on him for that part. She'll also need MS Office which uses a work license. I wonder how that will work on Bottles. We can try with Libre Office but I know the spacing and fonts get all wonky when you open a MS Word document or a Powerpoint presentation. Every other app she uses is open source apps like Gimp, Inkscape, Audacity, etc. And she doesn't game much, but I know this will work just fine. And the Gnome-Network-Displays will allow her to cast her screen onto our NVidia Shield device for watching movies.

Is there anything else I should be concerned about? Maybe hardware wise? Or anything to so with Snaps that could cause issues?

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[–] 55 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

One concern I have is she uses her personal laptop for work.

I will never agree to use my personal laptop for work. When I finish work, I hide my work laptop under the sofa so that I don't think about it. I need to physically separate work and my personal life.

If, for any reason, she cannot get a work laptop, I would not recommend installing a Linux distro because her livelihood depends on it.

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  • [–] 34 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    My work tried to make me use my personal GrapheneOS phone for work. Unfortunately some things did not work. When they tried to fix it I said "look, your stuff doesn't work on my phone, if you want me to have a specific phone with specific software, you can send me one, but this one is mine" and so they did.

    Although in this day and age I think it's plausible to say "I don't own a computer".

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago

    My work wanted me to use my phone (which, like yours, is Graphene) to login to the messenger they use. I briefly tried; it worked, but mandated enabling MDM. I did consider it, but while researching how much control it would grant if constrained to a work profile, I discovered it's not currently supported in Graphene. So I just deleted the login and work profile and didn't try to login any further.

    I have an old, unused phone that's still Android, so if they ever insist (and won't provide me with a device), I'll probably just set it up on that phone and use my actual phone as a hotspot ... But that seems pretty ridiculous and I'd definitely have some objections.

    Similarly, any bureaucratic actions require a 2FA app. I couldn't really avoid that since I need to file my timesheets, but for reasons I've never ascertained, the app works on my tablet (which is also Graphene) but not my phone. I pretty much only ever turn my tablet on for that purpose and it's on an SSID with guest isolation, so I don't mind that as much.

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    LOL!

    I had 2 smartphones for one job and I hated it. Had to carry 2 devices everywhere. What a pain in the butt that was. Now you can have a separate work profile that you can shut off at a press of a button which is great.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    She's mostly editing excel sheets, word documents, powerpoint presentations, using outlook, and maybe Zoom and Teams for chat & meetings. It's not worth it.

    It also means more techno junk that'll end up in landfills, too.

    She doesn't mind honestly.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    So, basically, Microsoft products. I know you can access the web versions of these products, but I don't recommend relying solely on them because the document formatting often doesn't appear correctly in the web versions. I usually have to open them on the desktop version.

    In that case, I recommend not going forward.

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    [–] 17 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    I'd make sure to keep Win10 as dualboot. Office and the Microsoft account are big concerns and you didn't verify on them.

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  • [–] [S] 6 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    That's a very good point. I might take @avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 's route though with a VM.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    As somebody who converted to Linux about a yearish ago, I would like to provide some feedback.

    Right now, your best options are: Mint (latest version of Cinnamon looks pretty modern in my opinion, if you haven't looked at it for too long), Fedora (Workstation for GNOME, KDE for Plasma), and maybe one of the -buntus depending on how recent the hardware is. For a first-timer, I would avoid the atomic distros like Bazzite, as they will work fine until there's a weird issue that is annoying to troubleshoot. It's very good if you already have Linux installed and are e.g. installing it on a handheld or HTPC but not for a first-timer.

    I would let her try in a LiveUSB with GNOME, Cinnamon, and KDE Plasma to see what interface she likes best (screenshots aren't enough, the interfaces are different enough between them). Use VenToy for this I think, between Mint, Fedora Workstation, and Fedora KDE. Once that is decided, go with one of them.

    Tip as somebody who first installed Fedora: make sure to enable proprietary drivers on first boot if you want access to Nvidia drivers + Steam! It's very important, as otherwise you need to manuakky configure those repositories. I don't believe this is an issue on Mint though, it's mostly a Fedora thing.

    As for Office, I mostly get around with LibreOffice, but if that doesn't work, you can try OnlyOffice (but the company is Russian and a little shady, licensing issues, look into it), the web version of MS Office (ew, horrible), Windows in a VM, or dual-booting Windows (quite difficult to set up since MS does not play nice).

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    [–] 10 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    I never understand the thought process of giving a Linux newcomer some niche Ubuntu derivative.

    Just go with Bazzite desktop. Pretty popular and should something go wrong, there is fairly up to date information out there, so no forum posts from 15 years ago with shell commands that at best don't work and at worst break stuff.

    One concern I have is she uses her personal laptop for work

    Employer needs to provide a new notebook.

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  • [–] 44 points 2 months ago* (5 children)

    How is Zorin a "niche Ubuntu derivative" and Bazzite is not a "niche Fedora derivative"? Bazzite is way more niche and way more derivative and most Fedora commands won't work on it.

    Meanwhile any troubleshooting that works on Ubuntu (probably the most popular Linux distro?), Mint, Debian, etc. will all work on Zorin.

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  • [–] [S] 8 points 2 months ago* (2 children)

    No. Bazzite is a gaming-focused RedHat based atomic distro. She doesn't want a Steam machine. She wants a workstation. One that she will understand how it works without having to explain to her what the fuck an atomic OS and containerization is. It's a terrible choice for her.

    Zorin OS is far from being a niche Ubuntu derivative. I don't know where you got that idea. Drauger OS is a niche derivative. Ubuntu Budgie is a niche derivative. But Zorin OS is a solid competitor to Linux Mint and is one of the fastest growing distros in terms of users. I don't consider that a niche distro at all.

    Heck Bazzite is as niche a distro as it can get. It targets very specific users with very specific purposes with a very specific non-standard way of doing things. C'mon man.

    Bazzite might be fine for YOUR specific needs. But you should consider that different people have different needs.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Nice thing about Zorin is they have 4 maybe more modes you can set the desktop to. Closer to Gnome or more like KDE on the other end.

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    It's not tweaks on top of gnome its back end GNOME config done by Zorin team. GNOME is highly customizable just not easily the user facing way like KDE.

    I dont use Zorin but in trials I'd say it is a solid choice; they are working at making it a solid stable corporate distro, including the Grid Product for mass system deployment and management.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 2 months ago

    Thanks for the advice.

    I asked her what her thoughts were on the desktop and she really doesn't care. She's used GNOME already on our Surface tablet. She's seen me use KDE. Those are the two options I presented to her because they have the best visuals and the most features and also the best app collection to go with it. In the other DE suggestions you offered, I find they are missing features, or aren't polished enough for my taste, or are still in their early stages of development. (Relatively speaking)

    Although I really enjoyed Budgie and Pantheon when I tried them out. Both delivering a Win 10 and Mac OS like experience respectively. But yeah, they're not finished yet and are quite buggy.

    And of course I'll be using Timeshift! Since I discovered this tool it's been a game changer. Along with btrfs-grub to add the snapshots to the grub menu, that's even better. Even if it doesn't come in the Ubuntu/Mint/Zorin repos, it can easily be built from source. That's what I did on my own PC.

    Finally, I'll tell her about the snaps for sure and tell her to stick with Flatpaks. Security is MUCH easier to manage with Flatseal than Snaps.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    If the ms office apps don't run on Linux you might be able to use them through a browser, just like Google docs.

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    [–] 6 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    I used it. Its a nice out of box distro that is windows like in gui setup and lets you just install and go. That being said I eventually wanted better windows type snapping behavior and installed kde. I went to bazzite just to have something out of the box ready for gaming and I like the whole right only image thing. Anything debian based is nice to because many websites with windows downloads offer a .deb option. I use app image for most of my software though much like on windows I used portable apps as it makes moving to a new machine easier.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 2 months ago

    Yeah, Debian is my OS of choice honestly. Rock solid and very stable and secure thanks to the thorough testing the packages go through. Yeah the software is older, but it's worth it in terms of time saved.

    And like you said, there's TONS of 3rd party support for it.

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    [–] 6 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    The issue with snaps is that they are proprietary, and are less space efficient and probably a bit slower. If that doesn't bother her than it's fine. You could also choose to use flatpak (also containerized like snaps) or just use apt (from the terminal or a gui)

    Also OnlyOffice might be a better option for MS compatibility. You could also just run a VM if you need to.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago* (1 child)

    The win10 ESU has been extended for yet another year, so you have a bit more time. Your partner sounds reasonably tech savvy. could be worth grabbing a few different distros on a ventoy drive to play around with, even though the main factor in terms of UX is often the DE.

    might have a slight bias here but fedora workstation has been a reliable system for me and I'm just a dumb guy on the internet. I use it with gnome + plugins to make gnome leas daft, though the kde spin is solid.

    openconnect should work with cisco anyconnect; you can theoretically connect via CLI but that may be a bit rough UX wise. You could also set her connect command up to a global hotkey in gnome or whatever, and initiate a connection via keyboard shortcut.

    Office via web might be the best should for now, however.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Hi, thanks for the advice! Yeah we know about the extended support. But it's going to end at some point anyway and she was just about ready to do the switch before that was even announced. So might was well.

    My beef with Fedora is that it's backed by RedHat which I don't particularly like. ( They do business with the Israeli military forces. ) And also it doesn't come with multimedia codecs out of the box. Third: I'm more used to Debian's packaging system as well, so it'll be easier for me to troubleshoot or give her directions.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago* (1 child)

    huh, as far as I know, fedora act autonomously as a project, though are very much bankrolled by ibm / redhat. I wasn't aware of the IDF support on their part. that's really upsetting, and good to know, thank you.

    To your other points, I think .debs will be an easier ecosystem to get to grips with, and the explicit lack of nonfree software by default (including codecs) does indeed introduce a level of friction.

    As other commenters have mentioned, it would be neat if you could disable snaps on zorin in favour of flatpak, provided they've committed to the ubuntu route of bundling system components under that paradigm. UX wise I don't think either experience will differ too much, though you'll find more first party packaging on the latter

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Ooooh interesting.

    Oh but I looked it up as I was typing this and the latest Mint is still on KDE Plasma 5 when the latest is 6. Even Debian 26.04 has KDE Plasma 6 now. Mint 23 is coming out in December.

    I'll need to update before then as 25.10 will hit end of life this month.

    In any case, I'll keep that in mind.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (12 children)

    Zorin is a solid choice. Ubuntu-based without digital ID, Irish-made (not subject to the American digital ID laws), and designed with digital freedom in mind, despite snap format being enabled by default.

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