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[–] 152 points 2 months ago* (8 children)

Vance is an idiot. But on this point he is right. And that is by design of leading Republicans and Rupert Murdoch, that set out on a plan to achieve exactly this. That a Watergate situation should never destroy a Republican President again.
And it worked already under Reagan.

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  • [–] 40 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Rupert Murdoch's Fox News, headed at its founding by former Nixon advisor, Roger Ailes, who in 1970 participated in the development of this memo:

    https://theintercept.com/document/a-plan-for-putting-the-gop-on-the-news/

    All those notes are written in Ailes' hand.

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  • [–] 20 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    The thinking is done for you.

    Like WTF? Republicans have been training sheep all along, it's not just a saying, it's literally true!!

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  • [–] 21 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Yup. Ronnie Raygun had the most criminal administration in history - at least up until Donvict's anyway - by objective measures.

    And then topped all of that criminality with Iran/Contra.

    Also, I have no idea how the October Surprise theory was ever considered "absurd" by serious adults: https://jacobin.com/2023/03/ronald-reagan-jimmy-carter-1980-election-october-surprise-iran-hostage-conspiracy-theory

    And I'm sure their schemes did something to blunt what was arguably much, much worse than Watergate. Another part might simply be that boomers had less fire in their bellies at that point and were flipping over to yuppiedom.

    Most narratives today only mention Watergate, and forget about Iran/Contra. I would not be surprised if most of Gen Y and younger are not even aware of Iran/Contra, which is a shockingly brazen crime.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago*

    I don't even think he's an idiot.

    Evil? Oh hell yes. But 95% of the time he is just saying stupid shit that inbred MAGAs want to hear, or that will make old guard Democrats stammer and guffaw at... (which is the desired effect, they just look privileged and haughty and holier than thou when they do that).

    The funny part is when they think he believes in anything other than how smart and cool he is.

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  • [–] 61 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    It's like the power level creep in Dragon Ball Z with corruption instead of fighting strength. Watergate is some Raditz shit but we're dealing with Cell and have Majin Buu on the horizon.

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  • [–] 44 points 2 months ago (9 children)

    He's right. And that statement is a huge indictment of both his party and the propaganda it spreads. He's just too stupid to realize it.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    Its by design. Fox 'News' was borne out of the shame of Nixon's resignation and the desire for an all powerful executive. They hate the American Republic and democracy in general. It's also when the right started the southern strategy in earnest to coopt the religious and then moved to lock in SCOTUS. The strategy sadly was telegraphed for decades and dems didn't take it seriously or rather the took money to look the other way. And here we are today with possibly the worst set of GOP leaders history has produced led by the worst President of all time tearing the US apart.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago* (2 children)

    Yep.

    Then also throw in the destruction of the Fairness Doctrine, and in 10 or so years, AM radio is now full of bombastic asshole hypocrite white guys, all charity cases sponsored by usually mostly the oil lobby, paid to be propogandists.

    'Corporate money is free speech' was the absolute death knell, the point of no return.

    The longterm Republican strategy has been to destroy public education and replace it with their own forms of education and general public facing 'information'.

    Because they know idiots are easier to lie to and emotionally manipulate... because they actually hate democracy, and know that democracy cannot work with a stupid, angry, short tempered public.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago* (2 children)

    He's not stupid.

    If anything, he's gloating.

    "... and what are you gonna do about that?"

    Nothing. JD is a 4chan shit poster with a Yale degree and pretty high competency at whipping basically the Asmongold fandom into being gungho for MAGA, that's why he is VP, its a reward for being such a good Republican/Trumper online psyop commander.

    He, extremely intentionally, helped build the media environment he is here commenting on.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    VANce is there to do THiels bidding, once thiels bounces fromt he usa to argentina, i suspect he will lose influence pretty quick.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago*

    I mean Vance was definitely groomed and created by Thiel, but its possible he'll develop his own set of goals and strategies at some point.

    Its also possible you're correct, that he'll become irrelevant should he not develop his own independent sensd of political savvy, or maybe due to basically him getting particularly savagely scapegoated and clusterfucked, if that ends up being more beneficial to more people in his milieu.

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  • [–] 43 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    LOL, he's telling on himself and the cons.

    The Faux News scheme and unleashing hate radio were both done to try to prevent any future consequences for Republican crimes like Watergate. Of course, the Internet further fragmented things.

    Of course, the "legacy media" corporate media was already far too right wing anyway, but the zone got flooded with radically far right wing propaganda masquerading as news.

    Surely "JD" "Vance" knows this.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (2 children)

    its given how much even the non-right wing news are just issuing copaganda, militaryganda itself. like how cnn has consistently reminding people of "the troops that died" near the end of the news segment everytime. this was before 2016.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    CNN is center-right, at best.

    The fact that Fox News has successfully brainwashed the right into believing milquetoast outlets like CNN and MSNBC are actually far left propaganda outlets has done so much to shift the Overton Window to the right, and has poisoned all public discourse.

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  • [–] 39 points 2 months ago

    He's right but not for any of the right reasons.

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  • [–] 37 points 2 months ago

    Yes and that's catastrophic to America

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  • [–] 27 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    To promote his new book Communion. From atheist to Catholic...

    Didn't he tell the pope to shut up

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  • [–] 24 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    You can just look at what happened after the Epstein files were released. If it had happened in the 70s, there would have been mass upleavals. Today? Disgruntled people moaning on the internet. Nothing much.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    How would you recommend getting a public response like we had in the 70s?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    I know it's not something that I should say but t€Rr0r1s|/|, $T3@l1nG from th0se in pow3r and u||10nizing in work|)laces are the only real answers. Find strenght in numbers, they can't k1Ll everybody (at least not directly). Those are the only things that will work. Good luck tho doing it in our current mass s|_|rveillance social system.

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  • [–] 21 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    You lost me at JD Vance says.

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  • [–] 24 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

    How about "Couch fucker fills in correct bubbles on multiple choice test occasionally". Top post pretty much covers it.

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  • [–] 20 points 2 months ago

    Okay, for how many weeks has Epstein been a story? Just to estimate how much worse it is compared to Watergate.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago

    How long would the story of him fucking a couch last?

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago

    Maybe on Fox "News". Which says more about Fox "News" than about today.

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