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[-] WhoIzDisIz@lemmy.today 64 points 3 weeks ago

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[-] HieroProtagonist@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 weeks ago

No, the world has just gone back to its natural order: Might makes right

[-] ironycanal@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 3 weeks ago

Sucks we can't ever do anything else and must always yield to our betters.

Oh well. Nothing to be done.

[-] WhoIzDisIz@lemmy.today 1 points 3 weeks ago

Yeah - unfortunately, we're not nearly as evolved away from our animalistic ancestors as many like to think.

[-] sibachian@lemmy.ml 5 points 3 weeks ago

i think we are, but the archaic system in place allows the cavemen the same chances as everyone else to compete and thus you have those like Trump getting elected.

[-] WhoIzDisIz@lemmy.today 3 points 3 weeks ago

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[-] sibachian@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 weeks ago

how is it not a systemic problem if it allows people who does not belong in power to exploit the system and gain power?

like, these fuckers has, since the days of reagan, kept adding holes in the system so they can cheat to win.

patch those holes and they got no chance. start with the EC. then broadcasting. then legal bribery. and we're off to a good start.

[-] thanksforreading@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Direct democracy and the head of state and law makers having no real power beyond implementing what was voted on would be fine. It won't be perfect and it will be gamed but surely it's better than what we have now.

[-] Arcane2077@sh.itjust.works 41 points 3 weeks ago

Fun fact, Hezbollah was designated a terrorist organization for this exact reason. Killing terrorist invaders killing innocent people on your land makes you a terrorist.

[-] wpb@lemmy.world 29 points 3 weeks ago

Terrorist is a politicized, meaningless term, and always has been. Its only use is propaganda. The fact that the word snuck into legislation is incredibly frightening. In the UK, you cannot support a terrorist group. What defines a terrorist group? Whatever the fuck the home security office wants.

[-] novibe@lemmy.ml 12 points 3 weeks ago

Reminder that terrorist started being used as a replacement for “freedom fighter”, when public opinion on the Mujahideen, APLA, IRA etc. started to change and flip.

[-] wpb@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago

when public opinion on the Mujahideen, APLA, IRA etc. started to change and flip

Seems like a reversal of cause and effect. I think the usage of the term "terrorist" for these groups was a deliberate choice of the consent factory to flip public opinion.

[-] novibe@lemmy.ml 6 points 3 weeks ago

That’s what I mean, they started calling them terrorists because people started seeing “freedom fighter” as a positive thing. “Freedom fighters” were scary anarchists that blew things up in Europe in the 1800s.

[-] Maeve@kbin.earth 5 points 3 weeks ago

In the UK, you cannot support a terrorist group. What defines a terrorist group? Whatever the fuck the home security office wants.

Protesting genocide, apparently.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 37 points 3 weeks ago

It's called Greater Israel now

[-] Evilsandwichman@hexbear.net 23 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

It's frustrating to think that the only reason we all know it's a genocide is because we're all currently aware of it; two or three generations down the line, people will just look back and go by what the news of our era said. We're all assuming future generations will blame us for our lack of action during this time, but honestly they'll be far enough removed that they'll just go by what the news of our era says. You had (Mike Pompeo?) literally saying that they need to make sure history remembers Israel as the victim, not the Palestinians.

We all know Hitler was evil because institutions and the news made sure to remember him as he was and for his actions; the news today and going forward will whitewash Israel; even social media is being controlled to make sure the desired narrative lives on.

[-] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 16 points 3 weeks ago

We know what has to be done to prevent this

[-] Maeve@kbin.earth 15 points 3 weeks ago

Fear mongering is a psyop. I'm not talking about legitimate fears of ongoing genocide, either.

[-] WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 7 points 3 weeks ago

Yes, Trump of all people sees how fucked up this is, because it is tanking his ratings.

[+] ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world -31 points 3 weeks ago

I heard Yiddish speakers are overrepresented in Hell.

[-] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 43 points 3 weeks ago

Yiddish, the official language of no country involved in this conflict.

[-] uint8_t@lemmy.ml 13 points 3 weeks ago

The Yiddish Jews were actually demonized by Zionists, who thought Hebrew was a superior language and saw Ostjuden (eastern european Jews who spoke Yiddish) as subhumans, which is why Zionism marginalized Yiddish (a large percentage of Yiddish Jews were actually anti-Zionist. Look up Bundism) and ultimately Hebrew became the majority

This is a great article on the topic. https://clarion.unity-struggle-unity.org/2023-10-18-to-stop-marx-they-made-zion/

Tl;dr same comment as yours, but replace Yiddish with Hebrew.

[-] ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago

Thank you for the correction! I actually read a bit about it later on but it was too late to be changing my comment, lol. 🫶

[-] uint8_t@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 weeks ago

Np! I didn't assume malice from you if it matters, just wanted to set it straight. :- )

[-] rapchee@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago

it's never too late to "edit:"

[-] ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

Eh, sometimes I'd rather let my ignorance stay and collect the (mostly) deserved downvotes, but you're right.

[-] Maeve@kbin.earth 3 points 3 weeks ago

Yeah I do that. It's also a reminder of how I learn and grow, when I feel disproportionally disappointed in myself.

[-] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

you don't need to edit to correct it.

but you can add an edit that says "I know better now, sorry"

[-] Mycatiskai@lemmy.ca 13 points 3 weeks ago

They are represented exactly the same amount in hell as every other languages speakers. Zero

Hebrew speakers currently are overrepresented in the genocidal fascists group in the real world and that is the only reality we need to worry about not the various fictions of the world.

[-] HiddenLayer555@lemmy.ml 10 points 3 weeks ago

Surely it would be English speakers if anything.

[-] Maeve@kbin.earth 7 points 3 weeks ago

Yumpin yiminy! According to my faith (and your former faith, if I understand correctly), the Kingdom of Heaven is within, which implies the Kingdom of Sheol is within.

What does Islam say?

By the by, the Christian book, if truly based on the Tanaka, should take into account pardes.

[-] ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

Hi Maeve. 👋

Place of eternal (in theory/by default, but everything is up to God, ofc) suffering earned by being a major, habitual line stepper with no remorse. It's a fire fueled by men and stones and it involves grinding, pressure, unmet physiological needs, etc, very hot and dense and certainly uncomfortable. Regardless of the nature of "the bad place", one would be better not earning a spot there, if anything because if the merciful, wise Creator thinks you were bad enough to deserve it then you were, objectively so, and that's a very hard/impossible pill to swallow!

Now, just as a little thought experiment: would you rather endure Hell, at least for a while, knowing it's just an extra test or something like it (you didn't do anything wrong, maybe you're just strong enough to handle it amongst many) but God already approved of you or be in Heaven knowing you did not earn it, with everyone and God side-eyeing you and hating you and for valid reasons, because you're just an objectively awful person? 🤔 (Global "you", of course, you seem lovely, hehe)

[-] Maeve@kbin.earth 2 points 3 weeks ago

Hello, my friend. Thanks so much for your reply. Well, what if it's not a literal place but allegorical?

If you'd asked me this before I went on my wandering search, I'd obviously chosen Paradise without merit. As it is I have studied many faiths and noticed common threads.

Then what have I learned, to have reward without merit? Immense heat and pressure are the conditions that purify. Gasses condense and vomit forth universes, carbon births diamonds, ore becomes steel, precious metals can be wrought. And extremely personality disordered individuals

Reward without merit can give us at best, extremely self-entitled people who "fail up," and extremely personality individuals.

So maybe like steel being purified and forged, then cooled or gems being formed, cut, tumbled, there are precise amounts of pressure and heat.

I get the point, nonetheless. I really need to study the surahs in depth, but I clearly don't know Aramaic. Can you point me toward some online English translations of the Quran, so I can study more? I'll leave Rumi aside, for the moment.

[-] ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago

It's always a pleasure to find you here! Personally, I think it's as real as this world is, but what do I know, lol. And I'm certain that God will adjust for mental disorders, after all there's an "us" underneath the mental deformation resulting from trauma, the "us" that regrets our negative actions stemming from these issues in our moments of clarity (or not, hence Hell).

I'm very excited to hear you're interested in the Qur'an, for whatever reasons, and thankfully I think the Qur'an is very straightforward, not much to really "study" there, it's not a somewhat philosophically dense read a la Ecclesiastes, for instance. I like "Quran: A Monotheist Translation", since it's not influenced by Hadith literature (most of the morally questionable "Muslim" beliefs derive from it, not the Qur'an) and it's unburned of sectarian doctrines, it's quite literal (slightly more open for interpretation, which can pose its own problems, but at least it's not a mistranslation) and says God instead of Allah (I feel like it takes any Western/English-speaking person "out of it", it creates distance when reading an English translation). And Rumi is wonderful, a great poet inspired by his love of God and his gratefulness for life.

The English Qur'an translation as an app for Android (there should be one for iOS too): https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.freeminds.quranapp

😀🫶👋

[-] Maeve@kbin.earth 2 points 3 weeks ago

Thank you. I find your company pleasing, as well.

Imo, metaphor, allusion, allegory, etc. are figurative speech that do describe something very real, but not always comprehensible with our physical senses. For example, I can't see air, but I breathe it. I can't literally touch love, but I can feel it! Are these things not real?

Thanks also for the share. On the chance the app has intrusive permissions, is there a web version?

Salam my sibling, to you and yours! Blessings of every sort.

[-] ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Those things are real. And our world (in my understanding) is like the Matrix to God, who's to say we couldn't inhabit a Hell as real as this world, right? Regardless, though, it's a circumstance we'd rather avoid, lol. We are/can be better than that!

And yes, I found an Internet archive link to it: https://archive.org/details/the-great-quran/page/n28/mode/1up 👋

[-] Maeve@kbin.earth 2 points 3 weeks ago

Hmm. We seem to have different views and how can I answer without studying the material, in depth?

Thank you for the link. I've got homework to do, so I'd best get to it. I'm sure I'll be asking plenty of questions.

[-] ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago

Even if we studied it all, who can know for certain? But I believe that, as long as we all see eye to eye on our moral duties (or even just stand by the idea of things being morally right or wrong), the rest is somewhat inconsequential. 😉

Anyway, see you around, stay cool and inquisitive. ✌️

[-] Maeve@kbin.earth 2 points 3 weeks ago

A generous reply. I really like and respect you a lot. Blessings to you and your lovely family.

[-] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

You spelled parades wrong

[-] stink@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 3 weeks ago

Ya habiiibiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii Yiddish has nothing to do with it.

If you said "modern Hebrew" I would agree with you. "israel" made a direct effort to remove all sense of identity other than the apartheid state, going so far as to beat children in schools who spoke Yiddish, Arabic, Farsi, or other languages.

They even went so far as to convince Jewish schools across the globe (particularly in Amerikkka), to drop teaching Yiddish and instead to teach "modern Hebrew" which is a bastardized version of the original language.

If someone to this day still speaks Yiddish, they are most likely Hasidic / Haredim, who are strictly anti-zionist.

I'm Muslim and I WISH more Jews spoke Yiddish, it would mean they have a connection to their faith that isn't controlled by the zionist entity and was passed down from generations upon generations of teachings. All the beautiful wisdom, folktales, recipes, family history, evaporated in the span of a couple generations thanks to the zionist entity.

[-] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago

nah they can have heaven. hell is where the cool kids go.

[-] ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

Only the naturally cool kids could tolerate such heat, I've heard it's worse than summer in Seville. 😉

[-] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

They never buy my ice cream and it's really hurting my business. BUY MY ICE CREAM

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