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[-] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 1 points 33 minutes ago

Apparently orange dwarfs are the sweet spot

[-] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 hour ago

Useless red circle.

[-] Not_mikey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 hour ago

More powerful flares would be relevant though, I don't think earths atmosphere could survive a flare 10,000 times more powerful then what the sun puts out

[-] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 4 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

The one thing that might save the situation is that a planet in a red dwarf's habitable zone would become tidally locked within a few hundred million years after formation, but stripping away the atmosphere could take up to around 2 billion years. This gap might be long enough for intelligent life forms to evolve in the temperate zone created by the tidal locking.

[-] Asetru@feddit.org 31 points 5 hours ago
[-] Syndication@lemmy.today 10 points 4 hours ago
[-] Natanox@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 3 hours ago

DR. OCTOGONAPUS, BWAAAAH

[-] PugJesus@piefed.social 14 points 5 hours ago

Now there's a meme I haven't seen in a very long time...

[-] FinjaminPoach@lemmy.world 78 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

Red dwarf stars also flare more frequently than our Sun, unleashing waves of ultraviolet and X-ray radiation that is harmful to life as we know it. If the Sun can strip off Mars’ water and dense atmosphere from a huge distance, planets like Proxima b lying about 30 times closer to furiously flaring stars could lose their atmospheres in just a hundred million years. To make matters worse, such planets being tidally locked means their molten interiors likely churn slowly, generating feeble or no magnetic fields. This deprives the planets from the kind of radiation protection that is so effective here on Earth and contributes to its proliferation of life.

In 2014, NASA's Swift mission caught a red dwarf emitting a flare 10,000 times more powerful than any ever expelled by our Sun. Most newly born red dwarfs may emit such mega-flares, perhaps in revolt against us having judged them on size. The intense radiation from these mega-flares could prevent life from ever arising on nearby planets.

Source:planetary.org


Well, this makes Red Dwarf a very aptly named vessel and TV program...

[-] dalekcaan@feddit.nl 6 points 2 hours ago

It's cold outside, there's no kind of atmosphere

[-] Paragone@lemmy.world 6 points 5 hours ago

Mere-ideas, but..

  1. there seem to be one hell of alot of the things, so therefore some must have captured rogue-planets, after they calmed-down..

  2. that would mean that the atmosphere-stripping might not be universal for all planets orbiting them, only for the planets that orbited them when they were young red-dwarfs..

Being tidally-locked may mean that not having any Van Allen belts may be irrelevant: the radiation they're being bombarded by is coming from their sun, & life could evolve on the opposite side, having warmth, & maybe photosynthesis at the daylight-horizon?

  1. Swift caught a red-dwarf emitting a flare 10k times more powreful than any we know about having been ejected by our Sun .. but we're looking at zillions of stars with our satellites, whereas we've only got a few decades of satellites watching our sun: there's a measurement-disparity there, that is significant.

  2. universe has surprised ALL of our assumptions about it, through the millenia.. & the ONE rule on Earth for where life is, is: IF life CAN exist in some niche, THEN it does. Period.

Stratospheric bacteria with error-correcting-code DNA ( 4 compartments, each with about 1/3rd of the DNA, so it corrects radiation-induced-damage before dividing into daughter-cells, sorry I can't remember where I read that, it was a couple decades ago ), bacteria eating bedrock, down where it's too hot for anything else to live, etc..

To presume, as we normally do, that universe's rules for life are different on Earth than everywhere-else, is .. neither evidence-based nor correct-reasoning-based.

Therefore, betting that no red-dwarf-orbiting planet has any life on it .. isn't a bet I'd do.

That most such might be lifeless, I've no problem with that.

But any time we assert that "there's no life" in an entire-category of universe's places .. that's just prejudice, from what I can see.

There is some, indirect evidence that microbes used to live on Mars ( chemistry that has no other obvious explanation, e.g. )..

& that would indicate that life's actually a normal-default, but that we evolved too-late to encounter Mars's life..


Oh, & the flaring thing: being closer to a star makes flaring much more dangerous than it is to us: the energy-density at double the distance ( of the flare, between its sun & its planet ) would be 1/4, right? ( distance-squared ),

so closer would be massively more likely to be clobbered..

but .. universe consistently surprises our assumptions, so I'm still holding-to the suspend-judgement, only speak for the majority, not for all, position.

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[-] macaw_dean_settle@lemmy.world 1 points 23 minutes ago
[-] bedwyr@piefed.ca 2 points 4 hours ago

We should not presume either that all life is the same as life on earth. There are combinations of a great many different elements and molecules that could sustain life other than carbon and water and whatever. There could even be life on super hot places.

Of entirely different elements and molecules. Not saying it's likely. I have no idea. Nobody does. And anybody that says they do, is either lying or wrong.

[-] cynar@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago

What combinations are you thinking of?

Life on earth is based around Carbon chains. Carbon's 4 bonds allows for a low of complex structures that would be hard/impossible for less bonds.

The only other viable option I know of is silicon. Unfortunately its chain equivalent has an extra reaction pathway with water. It would degrade rapidly if exposed to water, which is very common at the energies it would work at.

I'd be curious to look up any other viable options.

[-] nomy@lemmy.zip 1 points 33 minutes ago

Your comment made me go down a pretty fascinating rabbit hole, hypothetical types of biochemistry. You mentioned silicon, with something like ammonia or methane serving the role of water. Carl Sagan apparently considered Silicon and Germanium possible substitutes for carbon

The article also mentions non-green photosynthesis and that other colored plants could support photosynthesis and might even be preferred in places that receive a different mix of solar radiation than Earth. Science so is fucking cool.

[-] Ooops@feddit.org 9 points 5 hours ago

I think the Mars argument is backwards. The missing magnetic field is the main issue. More regular flares being faster in stripping away the unprotected atmosphere is inconsequential on the time scale we are talking about.

[-] gandalf_der_12te@feddit.org 1 points 1 hour ago

also mars does have an atmosphere, it's just frozen at the poles.

[-] FUCKING_CUNO@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 6 hours ago

perhaps in revolt against us having judged them on size.

So Red Dwarfs (Dwarves?) get mad and insecure about being small, and destroy the atmosphere of their local planets? Are they just coal rollers in disguise?

[-] smeg@feddit.uk 1 points 1 hour ago

Red Dwarfs (Dwarves?)

Dwarfs if they're in the sky, dwarves if they're under the mountain

[-] Kolanaki@pawb.social 1 points 2 hours ago

Is that a GRB?

A Giant Red Ball?

[-] cobysev@lemmy.world 35 points 6 hours ago
[-] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 8 points 6 hours ago

So a sort of laser from space?

[-] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 6 points 6 hours ago

mazel tov!!

[-] chrispy@feddit.org 15 points 7 hours ago

Holy shit, red dwarfs are actually death stars?

[-] Evil_Shrubbery 4 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

No, it's a totally different class (with different theme music).

[-] Klear@piefed.world 24 points 7 hours ago

All stars are death stars if you get close enough!

[-] BillyClark@piefed.social 5 points 6 hours ago

Sol seems to be a life star.

[-] nomy@lemmy.zip 1 points 31 minutes ago* (last edited 30 minutes ago)

It can definitely kill you though.

[-] Midnitte@beehaw.org 2 points 3 hours ago

Well, unless you're Mercury.

[-] CrazyLikeGollum@lemmy.world 15 points 6 hours ago

That's just cause you're not close enough

[-] BillyClark@piefed.social 5 points 6 hours ago

I tried jumping as high as I could, but it turns out my momentum is keeping me in orbit around Sol, and it would take an astonishing amount of energy to overcome that.

Plus, I have a suspicion that I'd succumb to the Death Space before I could get close enough.

[-] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net -4 points 2 hours ago

There's no other life in the universe. Just drop it already.

[-] shutz@lemmy.ca 12 points 7 hours ago

It's cold outside. There's no kind of atmosphere. I'm all alone. (More or less)

[-] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 5 hours ago

Chicken windaloo!

[-] Ooops@feddit.org 2 points 5 hours ago

Totally expect Red Dwarf reference...

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