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[-] Rainbowblite@lemmy.ca 14 points 1 day ago

The Fermi Paradox doesn't seem that paradoxical when you see a map like this. Civilizations could be screaming into the void for millenniums without reaching the other side of the galaxy. Signal strength drops fast too. How would would ever distinguish a faded signal from background noise?

Currently reading through the 3 body problem and it touches the idea that maybe we shouldn't scream into the void.

[-] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 day ago

Too late for that. Early antennas threw radio waves all over the place.

[-] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

TV and radio stations still do!

[-] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 2 points 23 hours ago

Aren't they a little bit more directional towards the receivers these days? But then again, the stuff probably bounces around a lot anyway.

[-] HubertManne@piefed.social 3 points 1 day ago

I was under the impression they became static in a light year or so.

[-] osanna@lemmy.vg 2 points 1 day ago

FYI plural of millennium is millennia

[-] Gsus4@mander.xyz 1 points 1 day ago

I came here to write this, thanks!

[-] qevlarr@lemmy.world 123 points 2 days ago
[-] dan1101@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago

People are so obsessed with contacting aliens, but maybe they are really really annoying.

[-] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 15 points 1 day ago

I got some bad news for you. We are the annoying aliens.

"Squeglesquortsquersqueweldorf" ["The earthlings are broadcasting again. Maintain radio silence; do not respond!"]

[-] wabasso@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I’m convinced of the dark forest hypothesis. Even 200 ly is too big for me.

[-] akwd169@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago

So not too different from us then?

[-] DaMonsterKnees@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

I did not order these ton of bricks, but I'm grateful. Thanks friend!

[-] partofthevoice@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 day ago

Space expands like bread expands, everywhere all at once. Your galaxies are like raisins in that bread. The space around them is carrying them while it expands. This means it’s pretty much guaranteed, you’ll eventually be gaining distance from all other galaxies faster than the speed of light. Because the distance isn’t a function of speed, but growth — so it can go faster than c. You, however, can never go faster than c. So, the picture is right.

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[-] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 day ago

So remember when you're feeling very small and insecure

How amazingly unlikely is your birth

And pray that there's intelligent life somewhere up in space

'Cause there's bugger all down here on Earth!

[-] oaklandnative@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

Amazing song. Link for reference:

https://youtu.be/buqtdpuZxvk

[-] LurkingLuddite@piefed.social 87 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Before anyone gets too cocky, remember that signal strength drops off at the square of distance. Even this tiny blip of range generally pales in comparison to the background radiation. We're still almost invisible to our own technology at any serious distance.

For a reference, see how absolutely difficult it is to talk to the Voyager probes. The signal they receive is absolutely tiny. (20 billion times smaller than what it takes to run a digital watch, see the Deep Space Network for what does the talking).

If any aliens have heard us, their technology already outstrips ours by orders of magnitude.

[-] zedgeist@lemmy.world 34 points 2 days ago

Thanks for the pep talk.

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[-] kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

200 light years radius is for radio signals to reach someone. 100 years radius for possibly receiving a signal back.

And that is if they received our signals, are able to identify that they are artificial signals out of the background noise of the rest of the universe because the signal degrades and gets weaker as the broadcast expands, they decide to send a reply back (even though they just recieve chatter at that point, not intentional communication to them), and then actually sends us a signal back. It's no wonder that hasn't happened yet.

There's around 10-15,000 stars in a 100 light years radius. The chance that any of those stars have habitable planets with intelligent life with the technology to receive and send radio signals and is listening for extraterrestial signals and can discern those broadcasts from background noise and would reply to chatter... that's a small chance. For context, we have only been explicitly listening for and sending signals intended for extraterrestrials for 64 years ourselves, so an identical civilization 100 light years away that received and replied to us immediately would still have 36 years of transit left on their reply.

[-] KneeTitts@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

200 light years radius is for radio signals to reach someone. 100 years radius for possibly receiving a signal back

So I have more bad news, the strength of our radio signals is not very strong either so by about 20ly, they fade into background noise so no one would be able to pick them up at all. (could be a lot less than 20ly too, possibly 5 ly depending on the signal)

[-] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Never give up! Never surrender!

Yeah I figured that that distance was wishful thinking.

[-] heartSagan5@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 day ago

Little blue dot…of radio waves, lol.

[-] pglpm@lemmy.ca 23 points 1 day ago

There are around 20000 stars in that little 200-light-year-wide dot.

https://www.pas.rochester.edu/~emamajek/memo_star_dens.html and 1pc≈3.3ly.

[-] mazzilius_marsti@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

"I am Optimus Prime, and I send this message to any surviving Autobots taking refuge among the stars: We are here. We are waiting."

[-] Hello_there@fedia.io 12 points 2 days ago

This is an approximation, right? Because there's no giant cosmic mirror that lets us see our galaxy from far away like this?

[-] numberskull@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 day ago

Just send a drone above the Milky Way and take a picture

[-] zedgeist@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago

See the text in the bottom left of the image.

[-] RoyBrander@urbanists.social 2 points 1 day ago

@zedgeist

True, but somebody could do a cool count-up "clock" like the "debt clock" that would count the stars that have heard our transmissions, so far.

Call the start 1926, though we had some largish transmitters earlier. By '26, I think they were all over the world, broadcasting every direction.

So call it 100ly, and get a count, then advance by 1ly/yr. The number of stars would go up as the cube of time.

[-] Ephera@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 day ago

What's also neat, is that this diagram won't need updating any time soon. Maybe in a hundred years, we can swap the 2 for a 3 in the label. 🥴

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