Centimeter by centimeter getting people towards signal and matrix chats
could not figure those out
Matrix I could understand because of federation. But Signal? That has to be rage bait
I know but I trust it more than Google.
There is value in spreading out your data to different companies in different countries. All the American big tech services sends a copy of everything to the nsa.
Maybe telegram doesn't. Who knows. Maybe they are being a bit more difficult at least.
I think the point is not so mich whether you can trust Telegram or not (although I am shure you can't).
The issue with Telegram is, that (by default) it stores all your chats unencrypted on their servers. So they can just access every message of yours whenever they want. That is not only dangerous for privacy, but when their database gets hacked, there is a decent chance, that all of your chats are gonna be released. Also, if governments want access to Telegrams data, they are legally obligated to comply.
What you should look out for, when you want more privacy is:
Legit End-to-End encryption: That means, that all your messages are stored and transmitted encrypted and only you and the person, you are talking to have access to these keys. So even if the server of the messaging service, you use is malicious or the government forced the organisation, which is responsible for the messenger, it would be mathematically impossible to read any of your messages.
Open Source clients, that can be verified by security experts. End to End encryption doesn't mean much, when you can't verify what the service, you are using is doing with your private decryption keys. In other words: It isn't enough, if a company just says, they are doing encryption. The solution is Open Source clients, because that means, that everyone can see exactly what the apps are doing and can inspect the source code for backdoors or vulnerabilities. Usually, if a lot of people have been using them, you can be sure, that some experts have verified, that nothing fishy is going on.
If you want a simple suggestion, that has good encryption and is fully open source, but is still easy to use, I would suggest you go with Signal.
As long as the keys are handled via a closed source app and server system, e2ee is potentially broken.
Even if you generated the key, keep the private part locally and submitted only the public part to your communication partner, you can never be sure that the intransparent app does keep your private key private.
With WhatsApp I'm quite sure that they somehow can retrieve the private key. Certain events point to that. But I see no reason to consider signal or telegram any more trustworthy - they are all prone to governmental influence.
And as open source and closed app infrastructure are incompatible, I would not handle anything important on an Android or Apple device.
Why would you not trust Signal?
You don't have to trust their server infrastructure, because the end to end encryption has been verified by countless experts (and all their client side code can be looked at by anyone).
With WhatsApp I’m quite sure that they somehow can retrieve the private key. Certain events point to that.
What events point there?
There were several (ex) Meta employees stating they could read any message if they wanted to.
A number of WhatsApp conversations unexpectedly appearing in courts.
I've no proof of this, but technically the whatsapp app is closed source so they could push an update that collects the private keys, if they don't do this already
One way to prevent this is would be to re-sign the app with your own signing key and delete that key before court, I guess. But those people whose conversations appeared probably just had Google Drive plaintext backups enabled.
I don't know about WhatsApp, but macOS backups your keys on iCloud by default, so...
So it's not selling all my information to the Kremlin?
The Kremlin doesn't buy, it takes.
Russia is a toothless tiger.
More people need to understand this, Telegram was never trustworthy to begin with.
They spent years lying about their encryption algorithms too acting like they're more secure than Signal when they never were
I try not to be repetitive with the astronaut meme, but they don't help. Here we go:
Ever since the CEO of Telegram was basically lured to Paris, arrested, then read the riot act for Telegram’s non-cooperation with French authorities, the company has been responding to warrants and downplaying its “E2EE” features. Expect them to have a fully accessible backdoor for LE.
By the way, don’t forget about that Bitlocker backdoor that “mysteriously” doesn’t affect Windows 10.
The EU and US digital surveillance states have been tightening their grip on encryption and online anonymity for years now. “Age verification” is just the latest push.
I can only assume there's a different backdoor for 10 that just hasn't been published. Even if there isn't, Windows defaults to backing the key up to the attached Microsoft account. You think they'd ever tell intelligence agencies to come back with a warrant for that?
Just use Veracrypt folks.
Better than WhatsApp at least
As in "with WhatsApp we know, with others we cannot exclude the possibility"?
As in "fuck the zucc"
I would not limit it to him.
It was made by m*scovites in m*scovia with fsb money, by the same guys that tried to copy facebook.
Signal (assuming you live in a country that hasn’t blacklisted them for refusing to install backdoors).
Signal still doesn’t support bots and is shit for bigger groups
Good for 1-10 friends and 1on1 chats tho
Are these negatives?
People criticising Telegram have no idea how big some of the channels there are. They’re stupid big. Like full ass Discord server but with one channel big.
That needs automated moderation tools - bots as well as built in tools to manage lager groups.
Signal doesn’t do that at all. It’s a good replacement for group texts, not communities.
And for me personally: missing first party bot support makes it a complete non-starter.
I mean, fair enough on you opinions, but it sounds as if all you're saying is this one particular messaging tool doesn't fit your requirements?
As I see it, (and I may be speculating and/or wrong), supporting bots might worsen some aspects of other users experience. If there necessitates a worsening of other users' experience in order to support what you'd want to do, at what point should you just use a different app?
There's little reasoning for catering to a niche use like huge channels and bots, and tbh that sounds like a dreadful experience to me. Dev time is costly, feature creep is a killer, I don't see lack of support for unwanted (to me) features as a negative.
Signal has bit me already. Every single *Claw supports Signal bots, which pretend to be actual people.
Telegram has explicit first party bot support, a bot is always a bot and identified as such
yes
Matrix, Session, SimpleX chat, Tox chat, Jami... and so on.
Why not mention that "Secret Chats" aren't that safe either?
Security doesn't equal private.
Tried to sign up once, but it wanted my real phone number and a fake one from a temp SMS site wouldn’t work. Private messaging? Sure, Jan.
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