▲ 431 ▼ Telegram is lying to you about privacy (donald.cat) submitted 3 months ago by columbus@lemmy.world to c/technology@lemmy.world 86 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago (5 children) Signal still doesn’t support bots and is shit for bigger groups Good for 1-10 friends and 1on1 chats tho permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Coldcell@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 months ago (4 children) Are these negatives? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] graynk@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 3 months ago yes permalink fedilink source parent [–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago* (2 children) People criticising Telegram have no idea how big some of the channels there are. They’re stupid big. Like full ass Discord server but with one channel big. That needs automated moderation tools - bots as well as built in tools to manage lager groups. Signal doesn’t do that at all. It’s a good replacement for group texts, not communities. And for me personally: missing first party bot support makes it a complete non-starter. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coldcell@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) I mean, fair enough on you opinions, but it sounds as if all you're saying is this one particular messaging tool doesn't fit your requirements? As I see it, (and I may be speculating and/or wrong), supporting bots might worsen some aspects of other users experience. If there necessitates a worsening of other users' experience in order to support what you'd want to do, at what point should you just use a different app? There's little reasoning for catering to a niche use like huge channels and bots, and tbh that sounds like a dreadful experience to me. Dev time is costly, feature creep is a killer, I don't see lack of support for unwanted (to me) features as a negative. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago Signal has bit me already. Every single *Claw supports Signal bots, which pretend to be actual people. Telegram has explicit first party bot support, a bot is always a bot and identified as such permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Coldcell@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 months ago (4 children) Are these negatives? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] graynk@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 3 months ago yes permalink fedilink source parent [–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago* (2 children) People criticising Telegram have no idea how big some of the channels there are. They’re stupid big. Like full ass Discord server but with one channel big. That needs automated moderation tools - bots as well as built in tools to manage lager groups. Signal doesn’t do that at all. It’s a good replacement for group texts, not communities. And for me personally: missing first party bot support makes it a complete non-starter. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coldcell@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) I mean, fair enough on you opinions, but it sounds as if all you're saying is this one particular messaging tool doesn't fit your requirements? As I see it, (and I may be speculating and/or wrong), supporting bots might worsen some aspects of other users experience. If there necessitates a worsening of other users' experience in order to support what you'd want to do, at what point should you just use a different app? There's little reasoning for catering to a niche use like huge channels and bots, and tbh that sounds like a dreadful experience to me. Dev time is costly, feature creep is a killer, I don't see lack of support for unwanted (to me) features as a negative. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago Signal has bit me already. Every single *Claw supports Signal bots, which pretend to be actual people. Telegram has explicit first party bot support, a bot is always a bot and identified as such permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago* (2 children) People criticising Telegram have no idea how big some of the channels there are. They’re stupid big. Like full ass Discord server but with one channel big. That needs automated moderation tools - bots as well as built in tools to manage lager groups. Signal doesn’t do that at all. It’s a good replacement for group texts, not communities. And for me personally: missing first party bot support makes it a complete non-starter. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coldcell@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) I mean, fair enough on you opinions, but it sounds as if all you're saying is this one particular messaging tool doesn't fit your requirements? As I see it, (and I may be speculating and/or wrong), supporting bots might worsen some aspects of other users experience. If there necessitates a worsening of other users' experience in order to support what you'd want to do, at what point should you just use a different app? There's little reasoning for catering to a niche use like huge channels and bots, and tbh that sounds like a dreadful experience to me. Dev time is costly, feature creep is a killer, I don't see lack of support for unwanted (to me) features as a negative. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago Signal has bit me already. Every single *Claw supports Signal bots, which pretend to be actual people. Telegram has explicit first party bot support, a bot is always a bot and identified as such permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Coldcell@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) I mean, fair enough on you opinions, but it sounds as if all you're saying is this one particular messaging tool doesn't fit your requirements? As I see it, (and I may be speculating and/or wrong), supporting bots might worsen some aspects of other users experience. If there necessitates a worsening of other users' experience in order to support what you'd want to do, at what point should you just use a different app? There's little reasoning for catering to a niche use like huge channels and bots, and tbh that sounds like a dreadful experience to me. Dev time is costly, feature creep is a killer, I don't see lack of support for unwanted (to me) features as a negative. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago Signal has bit me already. Every single *Claw supports Signal bots, which pretend to be actual people. Telegram has explicit first party bot support, a bot is always a bot and identified as such permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago Signal has bit me already. Every single *Claw supports Signal bots, which pretend to be actual people. Telegram has explicit first party bot support, a bot is always a bot and identified as such permalink fedilink source parent