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[-] radiofreebc@lemmy.world 2 points 12 hours ago

I worked for a company in Edmonton that would place ads for highly skilled work, at pretty much minimum wage, wait until nobody applied, and then hire TFW's...who couldn't do the job.

[-] RainbowBlite@piefed.ca 38 points 1 day ago

There was absolutely no reason to grant TFWs to restaurants. It just shows that money matters more to the government than people.

[-] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 14 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

The original purpose of the TFW program was for roles with specialized expertise where the company couldn't find qualified people who are already citizens or PRs.

And I'm absolutely fine with that.

Then over the years it expanded to include basically any job that nobody else wanted to work, due to (mostly) the company not being willing to offer fair wages, full time shifts or decent working conditions.

And that's where most of the problems happened.

[-] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 12 points 23 hours ago

I’m disgusted anyone ever approved that.

The idea that you can’t pay the absolute minimum so there’s some sort of shortage of morons is insane.

Even in like fort Mac during the oil highs that was insane, it was perfectly fair to pay $20-$30/hr to get people to move to a remote area and sell coffee with now competition.

The idea you can’t find employees to sell coffee and shitty sandwiches is absurd.

I do partially blame minimum wage as that lets companies openly collude on underpaying workers too (well we only legally have to pay X so we’ll pay that much).

[-] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 6 points 23 hours ago

I do partially blame minimum wage as that lets companies openly collude on underpaying workers too (well we only legally have to pay X so we’ll pay that much).

To argue that it's at fault because shitty owners pay only so much diverts from the fact that we needed a law to get them to even pay that much.

Review the conditions and wages before we had laws about them.

[-] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 2 points 23 hours ago

Ideally we would put owners who won’t even pay that much on an ice floe and send them to sea.

I just think saying “this is what you should pay unskilled/fungible workers” sets an unhealthy anchor for labour prices.

Minimum wage isn’t tied to specific labour markets, it’s a chore to update, and you have to fight for it each time. We can definitely update it to be meaningfully better.

I also don’t think it’s a good tool for addressing the market asymmetry where humans need food and shelter more than businesses need labour.

I’d like to see the whole thing rethought out.

[-] 42firehawk@fedinsfw.app 4 points 18 hours ago

Part of the reason I really like the minimum wage laws where I live (us but close to the border) is that the law says the minimum wage is based on a formula, and that formula is just a determination of what cost of living requires that wage to be. It's simple, doesn't allow for arguments over routine changes, and keeps it in an effective band.

There are issues with everything else, but at least that part is functional.

[-] wampus@lemmy.ca 17 points 22 hours ago

Two of the biggest abusers of the TFW program were Tim Hortons and Canadian Tire. They even lobbied government to expand the program / weaken its protections.

Two anecdotes to highlight how bullshit these companies are -- I'm not sure if they still do it, but for a while Tim Hortons had a "Tim Hortons" education/certification program in places like the Philippines. To meet TFW local job-hiring requirements, they'd advertise job openings that required that education, and when surprisingly no one came forward, they'd be able to import workers.

For Canadian Tire, I've previously worked with someone who was related to the owners of a couple Canadian Tires in Alberta. They effectively forced the TFW's to live 10 people to a house. If they didn't agree to live in the houses, the owners could drum up excuses to fire the TFW / have them deported. Those houses were owned by the owners of the Canadian Tire - the TFW's slave-rent paid off multiple mortgages. The owners of this store, owned a sub-penthouse in one of the most expensive condo towers in Vancouver, where they had a few $100k sports cars parked year round, though they only visited it for a weekend or two per year. All wealth generated off of indentured slaves. All seemingly allowed by the TFW program.

[-] timbyte@lemmy.ca 20 points 1 day ago

Our politicians are so gullible to believe businesses needed TFWs to fill jobs. They have to understand that it's always only about increasing profits. Not only should they not have brought in TFWs, but minimum wage needs to be raised to be a livable wage. If a business isn't making enough to pay every employee a livable wage, then their business model is a failure and they don't deserve to be in business. Not only Tim Hortons, but Walmart and Amazon are forcing governments to subsidize their low employee wages by having employees need food banks and other social services just to survive. It's criminal.

[-] DriftingLynx@lemmy.ca 9 points 16 hours ago

Our politicians aren't gullible, they're complicit.

[-] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 5 points 18 hours ago

but minimum wage needs to be raised to be a livable wage

And companies should be required to hire the majority of positions as full time, rather than having a bunch of part timers so they can avoid paying basic employee benefits.

Nobody can afford to live on part time wages, especially if the employer forces them into random swing shifts so the workers can't even have a second part time job to try and get a livable income.

[-] Peppycito@sh.itjust.works 24 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I thought they hired temporary foreign works because no locals wanted to work? Oh, it's because youth unemployment is up. Gee, I wonder why? Fucking slime balls.

[-] Ariselas@piefed.ca 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

no locals can afford to work for minimum wage

[-] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 6 points 18 hours ago

no locals can afford to work for minimum wage

Minimum wage and part time hours.

With shifts that change week-to-week so you can't even schedule a second part time job.

[-] systemglitch@lemmy.world 3 points 23 hours ago

Yet I got called racist when calling these hiring behaviours out over a decade ago. Funny how the world keeps aligning with my thoughts on most things when given time for rational considerations.

[-] Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 6 points 23 hours ago

If anything the temporary foreign worker program is itself racist as it is basically slave labour. Paying low wages and then they are tied to the job if they want to stay.

[-] Rat_in_a_hat@lemmy.ca 3 points 23 hours ago

Tim Hortons does not control it's affiliates and franchisees hiring practices.

And it's those who are speed running the TFW program because they're getting paid by the applicants.

This is Tim Hortons' response to Dunkin Donuts opening up shop to try and appeal to their Canadian roots.

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