No.
The cruise industry is pressuring media into publicizing the idea that hanta is human-to-human, to distract from the reality that their boat's food is contaminated with infected mouse shit.
Cruise goers learned fuck all from all these infected ships, they even made a Netflix doc about it. So, fuck these Boomers.
Yeah. Cruises are the worst when it comes to staying healthy because you're cramming thousands of people in a relatively small space. It is one of many reasons I don't cruise while I love to travel.
No. You are much more likely to get norovirus on a cruise ship. If you spend a lot of time in barns where there are a lot of mice/rats and a lot of dust, you might want to consider wearing a respirator. Otherwise your average person is not going to encounter hantavirus.
Having no internet would be the last thing I'd be worried about during an apocalypse.
Hantavirus, especially the variant on those cases, requires prolonged close exposure for transmission, and even then it's not very likely.
Not really, it's deadly, but as of yet not that contagious, so chances of a new Corona situation because of this one are not that high.
OTOH, a Dutch flight attendant was infected with it after brief contact with a cruise passenger.
In today's news it was not the Hantavirus, so no worries.
Let's go to the Winchester, have a nice cold pint, and wait for this all to blow over.
No, because it's not a big deal.
Stop being paranoid and miserable. Educate yourself.
Not hugely. I worry about things like bird flu. Watched a lot of people lose loved ones to OG Covid before the vaccine. I also worry about being able to get proper vaccinations for flu in the coming years.
Oh shit i was in primary school when that and the swine flue were all over everything!
And that was back when people were not nutters and would accept a vaccine.
Yes, because another lockdown is perfectly plausible. Also (at least on the cruise ship) it's caused by airborne particles from rat droppings so I could get it just from someone else not doing due diligence in cleaning a building, or not being able to access all parts of it.
The actor Gene Hackman and his wife died from it. I can't remember the details but it sounded like a brutal death. And the fact that they, who can probably afford cleaners for their fancy home, died from it? That's bad news for us.
Unfortunately I live in a place where I've seen 1 rat about a year ago when it snows, and we get mice regularly.
All of that is not new though. Hantavirus has always been around. The common strains have <1% death rates. Andes strain is more deadly and looks to possibly have human to human transmission within a short time window, but there is no indication that it can spread quickly enough to cause a new pandemic. It has also been known since 1995. So as of now, I wouldn't panic, even though the situation can certainly bring some traumatic memories back.
Gene Hackman did not die from it, only his wife did. He was not able to care for himself or know what happened due to advanced alzheimers disease and ended up dying due to sever heart disease within a week of her death. The variant on the cruise ship most likely wasnt the same since only 1 version of it is transferrable human to human and is even rarer. The cruise ship wasnt even the problem, they believe the couple who originally had it got it before the cruise and then showed symptoms only after the cruise began. It seems like they are taking it very seriously so I don't really think theres a reason to worry about it, unless your actually one of the people on that ship.
The scariest part to me is the 30% mortality rate.
Yes, but not in a sense you may think. Tourists get on board of these cruise ships that sail to Antarctica, to witness the devastating effects of climate change, and to get a final glimpse of a disappearing ecosystem. Ironically, Cruise ships are a big producer of carbon dioxide, which is the gas that causes climate change. Even more ironic: Climate change in return is one of the causes for outbreaks like the hanta virus. Humanity is doomed, but climate collapse does have its funny moments.
There are ~370 cruise ships currently: https://cruisemarketwatch.com/capacity/
There are ~100000 cargo ships. https://www.virtuemarine.nl/post/top-maritime-nations-largest-fleets-worldwide
Cruise ships certainly aren't great, but they are a rounding error, not a significant driving force.
You are completely right. It is a bit of whataboutery, but ok. Still, next to reducing buying stuff that is packed onto these container ships and then shipped across the oceans, it is worthwhile thinking about tourism too, which doesn’t stop at cruise ships (which personally I would never board). So reduce the number flights you take, switch to vacations by train, bike or on foot, switch from a combustion engine to an EV etc. I regularly calculate my personal climate footprint (there are a number of websites that help you doing this, most call out cruise ships specifically), and over the years I have continuously improved my behaviors. Added advantage: I won’t catch hanta virus locked up with thousands of others on a cruise ship😝
Or norovirus, or covid or...
Its definitely whataboutism, but I think its important to keep things in perspective. A couple percent efficiency improvement across the global shipping industry would near enough offset the entire cruise industry, and I'd prefer that efforts were focused there.
Just existing produces carbon, and I'd rather people spend carbon on travel and broadening their minds instead of running a 4th fridge like my mate... If only it were that simple...
Wow, if you had asked me how many cruise ships there are in the world, I don't know what I would have said, but it would've been way higher than 370.
I am actually surprised its that high, there aren't many cruise lines, and they don't have that many boats. I would have guessed <100.
Very funnily-written post.
Interaysynthesis indeed...
Well, no, I'm not scared. I trust the experts, and they say it's not cause for concern, because it's not highly contagious and requires extended contact with the infected to become infected yourself. I'm scared for the well-being of the people on the ship, but I'm hoping the Spanish government and the people of the Canary Islands can help there.
I'm very disappointed in Cape Verde, speaking of.
Not at all, I have no influence on events so it's not on my radar.
Don't worry... this strain of hantavirus is in no way human to human transferable, don't worry and carry on /s
Not really. There is so much shit going on (in the world and my personal life) that death would actually solve a lot of problems lol
I'm starting to be afraid of another pandemic
no
There's no point in being scared, but I do keep an eye on the news about it.
I wouldn't mind a lock down happening again. Of course it's bad if people start dying and shit, but the disruption of the daily grind is much needed for society as a whole.
I'm honestly disappointed with how little changed after the last pandemic. People really ought to take some time reflecting on it instead of immediately returning to the old bad habits.
To be fair, a lot of the problems returning were because of the rich disconnected fucks, as usual.
For example, the return to office mandates. Serve no purpose but to bolster commercial real estate so executives around the world wouldn't lose out on their many years long office rental contracts.
As soon as people actually realize the core problem is greed and capitalism is only institutionalized greed, then the world might actually start changing for the better.
Until everyone who isn't rich stops acting like a temporarily embarrassed millionaire, this world is totally fucked with or without a pandemic.
I miss the corona virus lockdown days personally to be honest, so no, not really. It might even help bring house prices down when enough people catch it.
The problem with capitalist markets is capitalism, not supply vs demand. When greed via renting, airbnb, and vacation homes, all which do not reflect actual value, artificially inflates house prices for those living in a home they want to own, it's the entire system that is corrupt. It is not something that merely corrects with a small, spread over time change in demand.
What will happen instead, is the construction market will shrink while realestate prices stay the same or even increase without a constant supply of new homes. Why? Because the construction market is driven by those same rich assholes that build up whole neighborhoods on the cheap who drive construction demand. Construction will slow because those rich assholes driving the market will reduce or halt construction projects to protect their existing investment value.
Poor people are now too poor to replace the mega-rich when the rich get scared of market conditions and stop investing, which directly harms all of the "features" of a free market.
Capitalism has made sure that the market only works for the rich, and the rich are too stupid and greedy (basically by definition) to handle a massive market that only their fickle, child-like emotions control.
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