Many people on lemmy.ml deeply respect and admire authoritarian governments and organizations.

Iran, China, North Korea, Soviet Union...

The West has many flaws. But our flaws are nothing compared to these guys.

Iran hangs homosexuals. Iran shot 30,000 people in less than than 2 weeks. The Soviet Union had to build a fucking Iron wall to prevent people from escaping. The Soviets lied about the Chernobyl nuclear explosion. China censors the internet. China wants to eliminate Islam. North Korea is a totalitarian hellscape. Watching anime is a crime.

Why is lemmy.ml so fascinated with authoritarians?

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[–] 77 points 4 months ago (3 children)

The Soviet Union had to build a fucking Iron wall to prevent people from escaping.

This dumbass thought the Iron Curtain was a literal curtain of iron lmao

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    [–] 66 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    our flaws are nothing compared to these guys

    founded in the genocide of millions of indigenous people. built on the backs of millions of black people. sustained through the routine blood sacrifice of millions across the globe. how many invasions? how many coups? how many color revolutions? how many human lives?

    doesn't matter. anime is illegal.

    a firing squad would be a kindness.

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    [–] 55 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Iran hangs homosexuals.

    This isn't good and no leftist, especially MLs, support execution of LGBTQ+ people. Hexbear and Lemmygrad don't even allow """"ironic"""" slurs. Why would we support killing people based on their sexuality?

    Iran shot 30,000 people in less than than 2 weeks.

    No they didn't. Literally fake news put forth by the Trump regime.

    The Soviet Union had to build a fucking Iron wall to prevent people from escaping.

    No they didn't. The Berlin Wall was to prevent NATO spies from just wandering into the USSR.

    The Soviets lied about the Chernobyl nuclear explosion.

    No they didn't. A few local bureaucrats did, who were all convicted by Soviet courts for this. Once Moscow got word of what happened, they immediately began an emergency response.

    China censors the internet.

    Yes. And it's a good thing. No fake news, no AI slop enshittifying everything, no flat-earthers, no antivaxers, and no neo-nazis plotting mass shootings together.

    China wants to eliminate Islam.

    No they don't. You're thinking of the US.

    North Korea is a totalitarian hellscape. Watching anime is a crime.

    The DPRK literally has animators who worked on Japanese anime from North Korea. If you knew anything about the anime industry, you'd know it's a major controversy about Japanese animation studios subcontracting work to both halves of Korea, China, and several other countries.

    This is a deeply unserious person.

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  • [–] 55 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Holy shit the comments. These people are just mad because ML shit on the west for all the right reasons.

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  • [–] 42 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    "i'm in favor of every anti-imperialism except the one that inconveniences me"

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  • [–] 50 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    "Authoritarian" is a word that it's starting to get on my nerves, libs keep using it as some sort of gotcha all the time and it gets tiring. They refuse to read Engels' On Authority, and will just keep using it all the time.

    The West has many flaws. But our flaws are nothing compared to these guys.

    In other words: "We invaded, enslaved, slaughtered, destroyed, coup'd, bombed, genocided and SA'ed, but they did no such thing and like socialism a little too much on the other side so they are worse."

    shinji-jokerfied I can't

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    [–] 49 points 4 months ago* (16 children)

    Because that's Marcist-lenisim?

    Stalin named it, and he's the one that set the definition of what that means.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marxism%E2%80%93Leninism

    They don't call it "Stalinism" because that's way harder to defend.

    The ones you see online don't even understand it, it literally requires supporting the left most party, but I've never seen a .ml account actually pushing for change thru the two party system, despite that literally being the first step:

    Marxism–Leninism holds that a two-stage communist revolution is needed to replace capitalism. A vanguard party, organized through democratic centralism, would seize power on behalf of the proletariat and establish a one-party communist state. The state would control the means of production, suppress opposition, counter-revolution, and the bourgeoisie, and promote Soviet collectivism, to pave the way for an eventual communist society that would be classless and stateless.[12]

    Most people online that say they're "ML" don't understand anything about it. They "learned" all they know from unsourced shitposts.

    Which is crazy, because this is the closest actual ML has ever come, after trump the Dems are most likely to gain so many seats, it'll effectively be a one party government starting 2029.

    If we get a progressive Dem that will name a progressive DNC chair after becoming president, we're fucking there. A one party government that's genuinely for the proletariat.

    Any that claims to actually be ML and isn't pushing for the DNC as hard as possible right now is lying about their self professed label, or never understood what it meant

    This has to be one of the worst understandings of Marxism-Leninism I have ever seen.

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  • [–] 19 points 4 months ago

    This isn't real and I'm not going to the post to find out. You made this up, no one like this actually exists. If there is a comment like this in there it was made by a fed. No one thinks like this.

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    [–] 47 points 4 months ago* (11 children)

    From @SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone

    "have friends who are self proclaimed “tankies”, and talking to them a lot about it, my best understanding of the way they put it is basically:

    You need an Iron Fist® to fix anything, and an Iron Fist® to keep it that way."

    holy shit maybe instead of listening to your fuckin' friends you have a WHOLE BOARD OF MARXIST-LENINIST TANKIES THAT YOU CAN ASK, TALK TO OR EVEN READ PREVIOUS POSTS FROM THAT HAVE AN ENTIRE COMMMUNIIIITTTTYYY OF PEOPLE WITH DIFFERENT LEVELS OF EDUCATION, LITERACY AND VIEWS ON MARXIST-LENINISM IN DETAIL!!!

    Like what the fuck do you even do? Like sure, you can agitate, educate and do everything in your power as a communist as you should to point people and teach them what your beliefs are...but what does it matter when they stare at the giant, descript signs with arrows pointing to even longer, actual descriptions of what we believe in and why and they just stare at the sign and bleat "Uhh my friends says tankieism is when iron fist!"

    Like wtf do you actually do???

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    [–] 47 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    This is why I can't be in the trenches like some of you beautiful beasts. I'm already past the point where I'd just say "You know what fuck it you're right I want to kill a gorillian people just because I'm so naive as to have actually read a book or two"

    Like for real one of those times where in real life I'd sigh heavily and say "You know what I'm good. You believe whatever you want"

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    [–] 41 points 4 months ago

    Tankies are so authoritarian, anyway here's why genocide, deportations, state codified racism, mass incarceration and systemic corporate tyranny are actually good

    At its core liberalism is defined by projection

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  • [–] 40 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Hey its the Zionist acting like he himself isnt into a boot or two.

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  • [–] 39 points 4 months ago

    mom said it's MY turn to make the obvious bait post large-adult-son

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  • [–] 35 points 4 months ago*

    Oh sure, we're basically directly doing a genocide right now and at all times, but did you know that China CENSORS THE INTERNET??? capitaldcolon (I mean yes we censor the internet in the west too but not in the evil Chinese way)

    GOOD reply:

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    [–] 31 points 4 months ago

    Babe wake up it's time for the weekly lemmy struggle session. I'm convinced that the striking regularity of these deeply concerned posters is nothing more than fedposts meeting their quota to scare the libs back to reddit-logo

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  • [–] 30 points 4 months ago

    the idea of a wall made out of solid iron covering the entire border of the eastern bloc.. and they say communism makes you poor

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  • [–] 28 points 4 months ago*

    As to be expected, there is (almost) no class analysis in that thread whatsoever. Could Lemmy.ML’s anti-imperialism maybe have anything to do with the fact that most of the regulars are lower-class people alienated by their capitalist régimes? No! It’s because the regulars lack “antitankies’” superior brains, case closed.

    With such anticlimactic responses to puzzling questions it’s no wonder that I gave up on being an ‘antitankie’ long ago.

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  • [–] 27 points 4 months ago

    Read far enough to see unironic posts about Hasan Shock Collar Gate. clown-to-clown-communicationclown-to-clown-conversation

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  • [–] 27 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Watching anime is a crime.

    the horror

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    [–] 26 points 4 months ago

    It's such liberal brained garbage. The US is the most authoritarian regime, a power granted to it by the divine right of capital.

    All this is just bullshit excuses for the west and the US in particular to continue to be diabolically evil.

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  • [–] 25 points 4 months ago (9 children)

    I still don't know what authoritarian means.

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  • [–] 23 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (6 children)

    Basically authoritarianism is the concept of a government that uses state power and monopoly of violence to enforce the will of the state and its own legitimacy.

    Looking up descriptions online will have people saying all sorts of shit because the actual meaning of authoritarianism is just every state.

    Authoritarianism is a political system characterized by the rejection of political plurality, the use of strong central power to preserve the political status quo, and reductions in democracy, separation of powers, civil liberties, and the rule of law. Authoritarian regimes may be either autocratic or oligarchic and may be based upon the rule of a party, the military, or the concentration of power in a single person.

    -Wikipedia
    A funny thing about Wikipedias short description here means a state without democratic institutions isn't necessarily authoritarian, since it is not moving away from them, they just don't exist within it. Also under this definition the US isn't authoritarian, since it is not based upon the rule of a party, but two parties.

    Authoritarianism, in politics and government, the blind submission to authority and the repression of individual freedom of thought and action. Authoritarian regimes are systems of government that have no established mechanism for the transfer of executive power and do not afford their citizens civil liberties or political rights. Power is concentrated in the hands of a single leader or a small elite, whose decisions are taken without regard for the will of the people. The term authoritarianism is often used to denote any form of government that is not democratic, but studies have demonstrated that there is a great deal of variation in authoritarian rule.

    -Britannica
    "Submission to authority" will appear in the next (and last) source as well. What does it mean? No clue, they don't define it.

    Pretty based of Britannica to support the DPRK though - considering the DPRK does

    • Have a system for the transfer of executive power
    • Does afford it's citizens political rights and civil liberties. (Without getting into all the propaganda about North Korea, even within the western liberals propaganda apparatus it cannot be denied that the DPRK does afford it's citizens *some rights and liberties. How many and to what extent and which ones specifically? Doesn't matter)

    Power is concentrated in the hands of a single leader or a small elite, whose decisions are taken without regard for the will of the people.

    Okay so every government with a parliamentary system and a low approval rating then?

    The term authoritarianism is often used to denote any form of government that is not democratic, but studies have demonstrated that there is a great deal of variation in authoritarian rule.

    I wonder why there is such a variation? Could it be because the concept is flawed? No! It must be because us-foreign-policy

    Authoritarianism: The belief that people must obey completely and not be allowed freedom to act as they wish

    -Cambridge dictionary
    Apparently it's just... A belief system and not actually about how a state enforces itself? Doesn't this make every "vote blue no matter who!" lib an authoritarian? Abolish bedtimes I guess, since that is a belief children should obey the authority of their parents. Abolish homework as well.

    Authoritarianism: of, relating to, or favoring blind submission to authority [OR] of, relating to, or favoring a concentration of power in a leader or an elite not constitutionally responsible to the people

    -Merriam-Webster
    The second definition is perhaps the best one available, though it is kind of yank-brained. The UK doesn't have a constitution. It is authoritarian, yes, but not because of a lack of a legal document. It also decries the concentration of power, so that would be every centralised state apparatus.
    And what does "constitutionally representative to the people" even mean? Does this not also require the constitution continually is changed as the will of the people changes? I agree that would be a good thing, but that would mean most governments are authoritarian, considering how many have constitutions with bits that leave them excempt from responsibility to "the people".
    Finally this definition doesn't actually care about what the government does, just that it is not constitutionally beholden to "the will of the people".

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  • [–] 24 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    The Chernobyl nuclear explosion

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    [–] 22 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    This post is satire I can't believe it's true.

    Daily reminder of why I hate white people.

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    [–] 22 points 4 months ago

    “Chernobyl nuclear explosion” this is masterful rage bait hahahaha

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  • [–] 20 points 4 months ago

    On paper, Karl Marx is correct

    so-far In theory, Marge

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  • [–] 20 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 child)

    Wanting to reply to @Sanctus@anarchist.nexus that ism is indeed a cool cat, but also absolutely not wanting to do my bit signature outside of hexbear (and it works better with it). Hexbear is just a better place.


    This user is suspected of being a cat. Please report any suspicious behavior.

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