"Why does Lemmy.ML admire authoritarian regimes ? " (lemmy.world)

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Many people on lemmy.ml deeply respect and admire authoritarian governments and organizations.

Iran, China, North Korea, Soviet Union...

The West has many flaws. But our flaws are nothing compared to these guys.

Iran hangs homosexuals. Iran shot 30,000 people in less than than 2 weeks. The Soviet Union had to build a fucking Iron wall to prevent people from escaping. The Soviets lied about the Chernobyl nuclear explosion. China censors the internet. China wants to eliminate Islam. North Korea is a totalitarian hellscape. Watching anime is a crime.

Why is lemmy.ml so fascinated with authoritarians?

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[-] Cowbee@hexbear.net 49 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Because that's Marcist-lenisim?

Stalin named it, and he's the one that set the definition of what that means.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marxism%E2%80%93Leninism

They don't call it "Stalinism" because that's way harder to defend.

The ones you see online don't even understand it, it literally requires supporting the left most party, but I've never seen a .ml account actually pushing for change thru the two party system, despite that literally being the first step:

Marxism–Leninism holds that a two-stage communist revolution is needed to replace capitalism. A vanguard party, organized through democratic centralism, would seize power on behalf of the proletariat and establish a one-party communist state. The state would control the means of production, suppress opposition, counter-revolution, and the bourgeoisie, and promote Soviet collectivism, to pave the way for an eventual communist society that would be classless and stateless.[12]

Most people online that say they're "ML" don't understand anything about it. They "learned" all they know from unsourced shitposts.

Which is crazy, because this is the closest actual ML has ever come, after trump the Dems are most likely to gain so many seats, it'll effectively be a one party government starting 2029.

If we get a progressive Dem that will name a progressive DNC chair after becoming president, we're fucking there. A one party government that's genuinely for the proletariat.

Any that claims to actually be ML and isn't pushing for the DNC as hard as possible right now is lying about their self professed label, or never understood what it meant

This has to be one of the worst understandings of Marxism-Leninism I have ever seen.

[-] Acute_Engles@hexbear.net 37 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

if the democrats win all the seats and appoint all democrats they will finally take off their mask of polite fascism and create a DOTP!

[-] Cowbee@hexbear.net 26 points 1 week ago

It's not even funny how wrong it is, it's just absolutely wrong.

[-] Objection@lemmy.ml 25 points 1 week ago

It's the product of knowing lies spread by disingenuous YouTubers, pretty sure. There's no way to arrive there outside of outright deception.

It's that or they're just trolling.

[-] Cowbee@hexbear.net 14 points 1 week ago

I'm leaning on the latter.

[-] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 19 points 1 week ago

This isn't real and I'm not going to the post to find out. You made this up, no one like this actually exists. If there is a comment like this in there it was made by a fed. No one thinks like this.

[-] thelastaxolotl@hexbear.net 17 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

They don't call it "Stalinism" because that's way harder to defend.

I-was-saying i call it stalinism

Also lmao, calling the PRI in México ML because they used to run a one party state

[-] calidris@hexbear.net 13 points 1 week ago

I, and many others I know, only use the term Stalinist when meeting new comrades to make sure it's crystal clear that we're not trots. Stalinism = Marxism-Leninism.

[-] WafflesTasteGood@hexbear.net 16 points 1 week ago

after trump the Dems are most likely to gain so many seats, it'll effectively be a one party government starting 2029.

The absolute dedication to :vote: brain, and also not learning a fucking thing.

[-] Lenins_Dumbbell@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 1 week ago

This has GOT to be an Eglin bot. There's no way this is a real person

[-] calidris@hexbear.net 12 points 1 week ago

I read to "shitposts" and thought OK this isn't bad, aside from the horrible misspelling of marxism-leninism.

Then I read the next paragraph and thought "WTF is this shit?"

Scrolled up and saw your UN and couldn't believe what I was reading.

I agonizingly made it to the end, saw it was a quote, audibly sighed.

Glad you're not embracing some sort of idealistic socdem theory comrade lol

[-] Cowbee@hexbear.net 6 points 1 week ago

Oh I'd never agree with this, haha. No, this is just one of the comments that stuck out as especially terrible there.

[-] nine99@hexbear.net 12 points 1 week ago

Most people online that say they're "ML" don't understand anything about it. They "learned" all they know from unsourced shitposts.

If we get a progressive Dem that will name a progressive DNC chair after becoming president, we're fucking there. A one party government that's genuinely for the proletariat.

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