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[-] thelastaxolotl@hexbear.net 77 points 4 weeks ago

Petite Bourgeois streamer terrified by Genuine Proletarians

porky-scared-flipped soviet-chad

[-] WokePalpatine@hexbear.net 20 points 4 weeks ago

Streamers aren't petite-bourgeois unless they're extracting surplus value from editors or something.

[-] Cowbee@hexbear.net 39 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

You don't need to extract surplus value from workers to be petite bourgeoisie, self-employed people with autonomy are also petite bourgeois. What makes someone petite bourgeoisie is the fact that they own some capital, but also must themselves work, even if they employ others. Streamers that make their income from streaming are petite bourgeoisie.

[-] WokePalpatine@hexbear.net 6 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

No, you're wrong.

they own some capital

What capital does a streamer own? And what does this capital do that isn't the extraction of surplus value?

[-] Cowbee@hexbear.net 45 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

Streamers are performance artists. They usually own their streaming setups, and take donations or sell subscriptions for private streams. When you own your own means of production, your labor is not being exploited. Streamers do use platforms where capitalists own them, but streamers are not proletarianized by them, and it's closer to a business owner paying rent to a landlord. The subclass "artisan" is most applicable, and has been recognized as part of the petite bourgeoisie since Marx.

They also sell commodities they fashion, not their labor power for a wage or piece-wage, the commodity being entertainment. They are not selling their labor-power to their viewers, but the direct product of their labor-power, to which the platform takes a cut as rent.

Prolewiki's article on the Petite Bourgeoisie backs this up:

The petite bourgeoisie or petty bourgeoisie is the lower strata of the bourgeoisie, consisting of smaller-scale merchants, semi-autonomous peasants, small business owners, self-employed individuals with complete autonomy, and other business owners who own enough means of production to extract surplus value but not wealthy enough to subsist solely off that extraction, in contrast to the haute bourgeoisie. Therefore, they must also perform labour alongside their employees.

This coincides with the class outlook of self-employed people, who seek individual autonomy over collective bargaining (on average), whereas proletarian workers tend to come to the class outlook seeking collectivization. Artisinal reaction was covered by Marx. Independent artists struggle against proletarianization in a similar way to small business owners and other self-employed individuals. They can also be allied with the proletariat, due to their precarious social position.

Of all the classes that stand face to face with the bourgeoisie today, the proletariat alone is a really revolutionary class. The other classes decay and finally disappear in the face of Modern Industry; the proletariat is its special and essential product.

The lower middle class, the small manufacturer, the shopkeeper, the artisan, the peasant, all these fight against the bourgeoisie, to save from extinction their existence as fractions of the middle class. They are therefore not revolutionary, but conservative. Nay more, they are reactionary, for they try to roll back the wheel of history. If by chance, they are revolutionary, they are only so in view of their impending transfer into the proletariat; they thus defend not their present, but their future interests, they desert their own standpoint to place themselves at that of the proletariat.

[-] ColombianLenin@hexbear.net 9 points 4 weeks ago

Fine then labor aristocracy. At this point, potato potato.

[-] WokePalpatine@hexbear.net 16 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

They're not even that, they're probably equivalent to, like, sportsmen. Disposable job-lottery winners who are generally unskilled and lucky. I think they realize that and that's why they're so reactionary, thinking it hides how useless they are to society and how precarious their class position is.

Edit: also why their bases are so anti-"cancel culture" because they're one of the few jobs where it actually works because it's easy to abstain from some streamer dipshit than it is boycotting a food company.

[-] Cowbee@hexbear.net 8 points 4 weeks ago

I know I explained here, but the reason artisans like streamers tend to be reactionary is because, like the rest of the petite bourgeoisie, they stand to lose their autonomy. The petite bourgeoisie as a broad class collectively tend to value independence and fight against losing their autonomy.

This is the precariousness they have, whereas the proletariat has already lost their independence and so seeks collectivization. The petite bourgeoisie lose their independence through collectivization, but depending on the level of class struggle can actually side with the proletariat despite this against a common enemy, the haute bourgeoisie.

[-] Cowbee@hexbear.net 10 points 4 weeks ago

To be clear, they are petite bourgeoisie, I explained how and why here. The reason they tend to be reactionary is because their class position as petite bourgeoisie is precarious, as they stand to lose their autonomy and become proletarianized. However, the petite bourgeoisie can be allied with the proletariat against the haute bourgeoisie.

[-] QuietCupcake@hexbear.net 7 points 4 weeks ago

Don't they almost always do that, though? I don't know, I don't really pay attention to streamers, but I was under the possibly mistaken impression that streamers tend to have a group of employees doing all the tech shit (like editing), "research" and marketing, and even things like makeup for them. At least once they are big enough to make a decent living off it. That's not the case?

[-] Cowbee@hexbear.net 19 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

They are petite bourgeoise with or without workers under them, as self-employed individuals and not proletarianized they fall into the broad category of petite bourgeoisie, such as artisans. They cease to be petite and become haute when they have enough capital to live off of the labor of others, and work by choice to maximize earnings, rather than necessity, so Mr. Beast would fall into haute bourgeoisie.

[-] barrbaric@hexbear.net 61 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

Wow I can't believe the danish HOI4 player who makes "totally ironic not sincere" memes about nazis in his videos is a nazi. surprised-pika

[-] BanMeFromPosting@hexbear.net 6 points 3 weeks ago

Who had an actual nazi and ex-marine in his playgroup until he couldn't stop shitting all over their discord.

[-] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 54 points 4 weeks ago

My rule of:

"All Euros are nazis until proven otherwise"

Appears to hold true

[-] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 36 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

Also, top hits from my brief look-see from the thread:

[-] MasterBlaster@lemmygrad.ml 38 points 4 weeks ago

I've never met a serious person who puts any value in the 'you go x direction as you age.' like no one with critical thinking skills actually believes age correlates directly with political slant. Its a dozen and one other variables before your age plays into it.

People only say it because they want to call you a kid while sounding educated.

[-] barrbaric@hexbear.net 16 points 4 weeks ago

There is, I think, something to the idea that in prior generations, certain people could much more easily accumulate capital (eg owning a home, having investments) which would tend to result in them having petit-bourgeois political views as they aged.

[-] Omegamint@hexbear.net 18 points 4 weeks ago

Yes, there are material reasons and they end up generally aligning with their own class interests

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[-] corgiwithalaptop@hexbear.net 18 points 4 weeks ago

I fucking hate this exchange

[-] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 13 points 4 weeks ago

It is truly awful

[-] Keld@hexbear.net 45 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

The revolutionary communist party are trots. Like they call themselves trotskyists, they hold readings of trotsky essays.

They're also the only communist party that does any outreach outside of four square meters around Nørreport train station.
I cannot stress enough how shit the local MLs are at outreach or doing anything.

[-] alexei_1917@hexbear.net 20 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

They're everywhere and they are the political equivalent of Mormon missionaries. I dealt with one online last year that made me feel really icky.


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[-] Keld@hexbear.net 8 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

As annoying as it is, it is precisely what a communist party should do, and its frustrating that the only ones doing it are trots.

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[-] MasterBlaster@lemmygrad.ml 45 points 4 weeks ago

WHY can't I celebrate labor without the stinky fucking communists? no fuck you keep that history book away from me you -

[-] alexei_1917@hexbear.net 26 points 4 weeks ago

Almost every right and protection labour has was won by communists who fought for it. Some people really need to open a fucking history book.


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[-] Blakey@hexbear.net 11 points 4 weeks ago

Almost every right

horseshoe theory proven again

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simple tools to make a social democrat cry

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[-] take_five_moments@hexbear.net 39 points 4 weeks ago

mapgame youtuber

is nazi

mfw

shocked-dino

[-] Lussy@hexbear.net 34 points 4 weeks ago

Ideology literally created in Europe.

This asshole - ‘This is the enemy of Europe’

[-] TraschcanOfIdeology@hexbear.net 14 points 4 weeks ago

What they mean by 'Europe' is the EU. Any leftist worthy of the name opposes the EU and it's policies

[-] SickSemper@hexbear.net 34 points 4 weeks ago

Every hoi4 tuber is fash until proven otherwise

[-] NephewAlphaBravo@hexbear.net 33 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

hey real quick, remind me which Sprache you ungrateful pissbabies aren't speaking right now thanks to the ussr?

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[-] GenderIsOpSec@hexbear.net 18 points 4 weeks ago

:monkey-paw-curls:

debatejak "So, guys I read this neat book by this little known german author, it's about his "struggles" and..."

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[-] alexei_1917@hexbear.net 29 points 4 weeks ago

HOI4 fan is a fascist, how shocking. In other news, the sky is blue and water is wet.


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[-] Des@hexbear.net 20 points 4 weeks ago

transfemmes hold up half the (hoi4) sky and we hate sharing it with those doofuses

[-] alexei_1917@hexbear.net 14 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

I swear every Paradox game player is neurodivergent and a Spreadsheet Enjoyer, and we're all either Stalin doodling wolves in a meeting, or that boy who sits in front of you in World History and loves Great Patriotic War era German equipment... but it's just that Germany had the coolest tanks, and the Soviets are fun to fight against, he swears.

(I'm not into HOI4, I can't stand the not negative enough vanilla fascist portrayal and war games aren't really my thing, but I do love CK2 and CK3 for how well they lampshade monarchism and they're just fun, and Vicky 3 is my go to for the whole "form a socialist state" leftist power fantasy thing. I think I just like the economic loops of any good state builder type game, tbh.)


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[-] Damarcusart@hexbear.net 28 points 4 weeks ago

"I'm sick of all these gay people at this pride rally. They should ban them from the event."

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[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 26 points 4 weeks ago

Oh hell yeah some slop I can dogpile.

[-] EatPotatoes@hexbear.net 25 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

Europe is bleak. Even America first chuds have better takes on imperialism than the average European. I vomit inside when I hear Europeans call the US their “former good friend” or a “force for good in the past”.

Arguments boil down to “are you or pro Russia or not”, “you are just anti American”. For people who look down their nose at you yanks, they are some of the most genuinely illiterate ignorant navel gazers on the planet.

[-] chgxvjh@hexbear.net 13 points 4 weeks ago

People are mad that Trump gives their white nationalism an ugly face.

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[-] PunkMonk@lemmygrad.ml 21 points 4 weeks ago

Why are the political parties that are for the workers, unions and striking attending the events about workers, unions and strikes????

Proceeds to false equivalent genocidal racists to advocates for equality

[-] infuziSporg@hexbear.net 21 points 4 weeks ago

"Everything I see is on par with the Nazis, except for actual Nazis, which are fine"

[-] LadyCajAsca@hexbear.net 20 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

Even from a non-communist perspective, is bro that ignorant? Does he not read the communist paths in HOI4? Why would May 1, a celebration of workers, not have communists who advocate for them? Just because you disagree with their foreign policy, suddenly they are a 'enemy of Europe' and deserve to be banned? Making equivalency to fascists is ridiculous too, centrist liberals really have the worst horseshoe takes ever.

Ugh, and I watch him casually too. It's whatever, not like I expected much from a hoi4 youtuber european liberal...

[-] TraschcanOfIdeology@hexbear.net 8 points 4 weeks ago

Does he not read

Don't think he does.

[-] Gosplan14_the_Third@hexbear.net 15 points 4 weeks ago

Only wholesome class collaborationists allowed

[-] Azarova@hexbear.net 11 points 4 weeks ago

not surprising he's politically illiterate tbh

[-] chgxvjh@hexbear.net 9 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

In response to Bolshevik tendencies and to avoid future confusions, labor day will be renamed to socdem self-adulation day.

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