If you want to save the indigenous peoples of the Americas, you should bring them vaccines.
This. Before a shot was ever fired the natives in most "undeveloped" regions were being decimated by pathogens refined in our "civilized" cities. This was long before "smallpox blankets" ever made an appearance.
Don’t even have to bring anything, early smallpox vaccines were little more than ground up pox sores rubbed into a cut. But it worked a hell of a lot better than no vaccine.
Didn't they use Cowpox instead of smallpox? The virus is similar enough to trigger the correct immune response, but significantly less deadly
Noticing the connection between cowpox and smallpox helped develop a safer vaccine, but prior to that in China and India they invented variolation (grinding up and applying the scabs to cause a milder infection) centuries before European vaccination experiments: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variolation
Mostly I hate the internet but then you have people who know interesting things and I'm all "fuck yea, internet!"
Then unread the next thread and some dickhead starts things off so idk.
The main reason native americans had such a hard time fighting back the europeans is that they didn't have immunity to old world diseases. You should've brought vaccines.
You could save literally millions of lives if you could get reproducible vaccines to them. 90% of the population of the continent was killed off before white people even set foot in the area. The set foot on the coast, and disease spread outward very quickly. They walked into abandoned villages, often times. The few that lives were exterminated.
Smallpox vaccine and Kalashnikovs. That's the way to go.
I mean, the guns can take them out from a distance no? Maybe when they're rowing to shore.
They can shoot the diseases.
Native 'Muricans, fuck yeah!
By going back and meeting them, you just got them sick even earlier.
So show up in a biohazard suit.
If we're arming people I think a slightly better solution would have been to go further back and arm the peasants in Europe so they can overthrow the monarchs/feudal lords and dismantle the hierarchical system that sent people to "discover" the world for profit/plunder and did the enclosures at home
Please, Based time travelers would send the T-100 terminator to the Garden of Eden. All the problems solved
It would be so fucking wild if you invent a time machine and the very crazy Genesis story, including Eden, was true.
Oh yea I’m an Atheist, but the jokes not as funny if I have to explain finding the missing link :)
"Aborigines of Sydney Cove, I know you can't understand me but this is called a howitzer and you're gonna want some earplugs."
Give the Apaches some Apaches, the Comanches some Comanches and the Chinook can take over logistics with some Chinooks and so on
And the Sioux? Give them law degrees
The Sioux: How about a Trial of Tears, pilgrim?
I don't remember the name now (I can find it if anyone's interested) but I remember reading about a native from south America that spent some time in Spanish colonies and then joined an expedition to North America (think California) as a translator. Once he arrived north he told natives what the Spaniards are up to and to kill all of them. The north was of course still conquered eventually but they did enjoy couple more decades of freedom thanks to him.
A smallpox vaccine would be way more effective.
Take these gives infected cow tits
I shall bring horses to the Americas in the year 1011 AD. With any luck, the black plague will get around them anyway, but they'll recover in time for the yuropeean arrival
hypothetically, if Columbus journey would have sunk in a storm.
How long would it have been until another European would have tried?
10 years, 50years? a century??
or maybe an asian expedition reaching across the Bering straight would have found it?
Would the meme be a hiccup in history, or a significant change?
I always wondered if I got dropped off into 1650s North America if I could get the Native Americans technically advanced enough to have semi autos by the time I die before the huge colonizer/settler events happen.
I bet even just muskets and penicillin could have tipped the scales.
Gunpowder is a bitch. I don't even know where to find potassium nitrate off the top of my head. You can get sulphur from hot springs and charcoal is simple. From experience, in a lab environment, getting the ratios for a useful explosion is a hard, even when you know what the possibilities are. Unless you have this memorized, that will be a 5 to 10 year adventure.
iirc, we were pretty dependent getting nitrates for gunpowder from urine and bat guano until we were able to start synthesizing it.
Thankfully, this is an easy problem to solve. If you're planning a time trip, just research the locations of potassium nitrate deposits before you go.
Or kill the settlers yourself gruesomely and allow one or two to return to speak of the horrors. They wouldn't be back for a long time.
Dressed as slender man
Not far back enough.
Give the AK47s to the dinosaurs.
To fight the meteor?
That would be a horrible decision. They would likely still die from the diseases spread from europe but also proceed probably having a huge native on native war because i know this is very surprising but native americans also had wars between each other as they were also humans.
I think you underestimate the magnitude of the genocide of the natives. It completely dwarfs the holocaust. Some researchers found it had a noticable effect on the temperature of the planet. About 49.5 million were killed.
Also your comment reeks of "they're savages!"
(Native Americans went on to subjugate everyone else with their superior technology)
If they’re within range for an AK they’re already close enough to spread disease.
Go back and give them a couple WWII destroyers and an oiler and that will keep them safe.
For me, step 0 would be to travel to the Americas ~400CE and introduce various diseases that Europeans will bring. Maybe it would make me a bioterrorist time criminal, but the hope is that indigenous societies would have more immunity by the 1500s and not get destroyed by smallpox. Then they can mount a more effective and sutained resistance against European expeditions.
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