Genuinely, if this was Ukraine then the EU coast is completely naked and anyone with a boat can fuck their infrastructure up. You can tell the EU knows this story is bullshit because they're not doing huge investigations into security. Libs still buy it though.

I still think it was really the US and Norway

As a Norwegian I agree 100%

It's the exact sort of shit that the demented old cold-war fossils who run our military would get on board with lol

To stop telling the truth for fear of looking crazy, this is a nineteenth type of liberalism.

Here you go: https://youtu.be/OS4O8rGRLf8

The UK is definitely the answer. And worse, people are totally, willfully blind to it.

I remember pointing out where most of the money was coming from for leaving rhe EU (it wasn't Russia, it was American libertarian think tanks, software companies, and healthcare companies) as well as the money that was spent against Corbyn on things like the 'Integrity Initiative' smear abd disinfo campaigns (US gov, UK gov, Facebook, US & UK arms manufacturers, Saudi gov) and people still said 'I don't know about that, why would America care? The papers say it was Russia before the very same people complain about how American our media has gotten.

People complain about the culture war shit and how it feels like an American import, but if you point out that right wing American think tanks and orgs (from TPUSA to evangelical anti-trans orgs) are funnelling a shit loaf of money here you get blank stares and muttering about how it's probably because we're so similar to the US.

Our prime minister is a de facto billionaire who has US citizenship and didn't even live here a lot of the time before becoming PM. Keir Starmer, after being a loyal dog of the British security state for years, regularly met with intelligence chiefs in the US long before he was head of the Labour Party. MPs as a whole I've met tend to love the US and have ideas about moving there 'one day' and the smarter/wealthier ones have stock portfolios full of US healthcare companies etc that are lined up to further privatise the NHS. I knew MPs who took paid trips to the US to form working groups with what would have been the Hilary admin before and after 2016 to study, I shit you not, electability, which of course meant building a Democrat-like party whose job it is to completely kill off the left, not to mention all those nice US lobbyists they got to meet.

But again, if you point that out, people look at you like it's some far out conspiracy theory. The very same people who today complain about America lying and dragging us into the Iraq War are the same people who argue that America doesn't have any control over our foreign policy today.