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[-] TwilitSky@lemmy.world 1 points 19 minutes ago

Ok let's change the headline up a bit: California father arrested after erasing crosswalk paint and taking down stop signs from near the children's park.

[-] Doom@lemmy.world 13 points 7 hours ago

Our own neighborhoods don't belong to us.

[-] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 76 points 1 day ago

The city ultimately determined the intersection did not meet the required traffic volume for additional stop signs,

It shouldn't be about how much traffic there is. If people are going too fast and/or there's a visibility issue and/or there's danger of kids walking into the street, there needs to be a stop sign because that actually slows people down and makes it safer for everyone involved. Even my carbrain understands that.

[-] Bartsbigbugbag@lemmy.ml 9 points 7 hours ago

The panthers used to get stop lights put in in weeks that localities had been refusing calls from for years. You want to do stuff like this, get organized. And not dancing in frog suits organized, militant, community focused organized with educational programs and childcare for your community.

[-] grue@lemmy.world 178 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

The city ultimately determined the intersection did not meet the required traffic volume for additional stop signs

For the record, this is 100% a lie. Every single warrant document (list of criteria) used by an engineer will have two magic words written at the bottom of the list:

"Engineering judgement."

That means there is no such thing as a "required traffic volume" for a stop sign or any other kind of signal or marking. If the engineer, in his professional judgement, agrees that one is warranted, it's warranted.

Engineers who hide behind things like warrants, pretending their hands are tied by them, are cowards and aren't doing their jobs properly.

The city engineer who refused to approve the stop sign didn't want to approve it because he cared more about drivers' convenience than he did children's safety, but was too chickenshit to tell it to the dad's face.

[-] magiccupcake@lemmy.world 76 points 1 day ago

If 50 people sign a petition, you don't need to do a study. Just put in the fucking stop sign.

Even if the vehicle traffic didn’t meet some imaginary quota, that says nothing of the pedestrian traffic. Just another signal of our car-centric society.

[-] grue@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago

That's typically one of the warrants. In addition to vehicle, bicycle, and pedestrian volumes, other warrants include things like vehicle approach speed, sight distance, and crash statistics.

[-] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 23 points 1 day ago

There are stop signs in the middle of nowhere Ohio, where there's literally a few cars on the road a day. I don't see how volume should come into play when you're next to a playground.

[-] Angrydeuce@lemmy.world 4 points 22 hours ago

Yeah here in WI too. Like on 55mph state highways in the literal middle of nowhere, as in the intersection is corn fields on every quadrant.

Its weird, but of course I stop. Im only ever stopping for the corn, but I aint trying to have some cop come flying out of the corn and tear my ass up either lol

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[-] Zachariah@lemmy.world 119 points 1 day ago

Just install these instead:

[-] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 30 points 1 day ago

hey that's cheating. that was how i crossed busy streets when i was walking home from undergrad.

i had a bright neon painted metal water bottle. I would raise it and make eye contact. just like that. like, this is mine, but it can be yours. you don't know if it weighs an ounce or 5 pounds. stops traffic remarkably well, especially considering the law and the sign everyone ignored right above my head said "stop for pedestrians".

yes, i did have a death wish you don't need to ask. living in utah does that to you when you've seen life on the outside.

[-] TwilitSky@lemmy.world 2 points 21 minutes ago

Is Utah that bad? It's at the top of so many lists. I could imagine the people being the biggest problem, though.

[-] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 1 points 8 minutes ago* (last edited 5 minutes ago)

it was, yeah.

there is incentive to game those lists. they are... what is the word... tourism? advertisement? other places don't have as much riding on gaming those lists as utah does. it's not their religion that looks bad when it's not #1.

[-] Deceptichum@quokk.au 31 points 1 day ago

Anarchism meets the state.

Direct action and taking charge of the change you want to see is great, states fucking things up because they’re not the ones in power is pathetic.

That's a hard line to walk. Being so afraid your kid will get hit by a car that you do something that could get you sent to prison, where you certainly won't be able to do anything for said kid.

The city officials need to be the ones facing consequences for this, not him.

[-] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 47 points 1 day ago

Courts and juries are somewhat good at identifying bureaucratic incompetence. Prison is unlikely, but the fact he will have to appear in court likely a few times to resolve this is still not great.

[-] PalmTreeIsBestTree@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

He will probably get a fine at the end of the day

[-] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone -4 points 8 hours ago

As he should. Probably an unpopular take, but even if this guy was right this time, we shouldn't be accepting this type of behavior.

[-] stray@pawb.social 1 points 43 minutes ago

What type of behavior? Did he do something to endanger the public?

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[-] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 55 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

As much as this case might have been justified (which we just don't know without the traffic study), condoning random people fucking with street signage is a terrible idea. There are very good reasons not to randomly change traffic patterns, especially outside of a popular park; fuckcars, but also vigilante traffic engineering is an insanely dangerous game to play. If this brings attention to it and they reevaluate, well done this traffic martyr. But he absolutely should have been arrested for this, if only to prevent a precedent for people who decide to "fix" other traffic issues.

[-] magiccupcake@lemmy.world 20 points 1 day ago

Nah, this road is a fucking textbook example of a bad neighborhood intersection.

Wide straight road with a hill on one side leads to unsafe driving speeds. Combined with parking at the intersection making visibility low for anyone crossing the intersection (cars, pedestrians, and bikes all included!)

This intersection needs intervention, and a stop sign is a bare minimum solution. Speed bumps and daylighting would also be justified.

We know we build unsafe intersections, we don't need a traffic study to confirm it, especially if you have a large number of residents with the same complaint.

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[-] CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 day ago

Much like that park bathroom that was going to cost something like $2M to install in San Francisco. Once the residents and news got ahold of the story, suddenly the bathroom would only cost $100k to install.

[-] IWW4@lemmy.zip 24 points 1 day ago

I don't have a problem with this.

Random people don't get to decide where stop signs go and do not go.

How about if someone just decided to remove a stop sign.

[-] barooboodoo@lemmy.zip 11 points 1 day ago

How about if someone just decided to remove a stop sign.

Are those 2 situations equivalent at all? I can't think of a situation where adding a stop sign up would make the intersection more dangerous whereas the removal of one would almost certainly make it more dangerous. In your mind is the only way to regulate this to ban both for some reason?

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[-] CaptPretentious@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago

And once someone (probably a child) gets hit and dies, the city will say how sorry this tragedy is... will claim they'll do something, and then do nothing. Because words are cheap. Oh, and they'll act like this wasn't avoidable, there was no way to know this kind of thing could happen.

[-] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago

Brb, adding a bike lane to the nearest stroad

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