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[–] 226 points 5 months ago (9 children)

These days it seems like most things getting called "woke DEI crap" are totally in line with the norms of society, but someone wants to change that.

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  • [–] [S] 72 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    I never thought of it like that. Fuck, that's depressing.

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  • [–] 54 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    99% of what you hear people like that accuse others of is pure protection. They're telling you what they want to do without realizing it, so "woke agenda trying to brainwash our kids!" could be translated into "we want to brainwash kids toward our ideology."

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  • [–] [S] 19 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

    I remember a coworker saying something about trans people and how we can't say anything anymore because it all has to be about them or something. I never got the impression this person was bigoted. It seemed completely out of character. I said something like ("They just want equal rights and the same respect as you and I. What's the issue?") Maybe people should worry more about weather or not their kids are learning the life skills they need to survive and less about weather or not their kids see two dudes kissing in a movie. Mom and dad need to untighten their buttholes. Even if I don't understand something, I try to be empathetic and understanding to those who are different from me. I wish everyone else did.

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  • [–] 37 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    the moment maga calls something woke... I embrace that game/tvshow/movie/book. they all turn out to be pretty good (other than a few gacha games)

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    [–] 99 points 5 months ago (9 children)

    It’s a silver lining to see Shatner using his platform for the greater good.

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  • [–] 40 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    Yeah, I always thought he was kind of a douche, but I guess his heart is in the right place.

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  • [–] 32 points 5 months ago* (7 children)

    Yeah, it's shatner so you one expects him to be crass, and you one forgets he was the first star trek captain. and agreed with the ideas being shown on screen (unlike, IDK, Barclay's actor)

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    [–] 61 points 5 months ago (38 children)

    Agreed. People should dislike modern Star Trek for it’s bad writing, not because it’s progressive.

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  • [–] 38 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    Trek writing has never been consistently good. Half of TOS is unwatchably bad. TNG sucks until Riker gets more hair. DS9 sucks until Sisko gets less hair. Voyager's all over the place (even though it's my favorite). Enterprise is mostly bad. Only the even numbered TOS movies are good. Only the first two TNG movies are good.

    I say this with a genuine love of Star Trek, but the quality of the writing has varied greatly over each individual series.

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  • [–] 35 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    The best progressive writing Trek did was when they addressed a social issue by having the actors pretend it wasn't an issue at all.

    Uhura was a bridge officer who was a black woman, and nobody cared or even noticed because in-universe there was nothing special about that.

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  • [–] 10 points 5 months ago

    Discovery writing is all over the place I agree, but Starfleet Academy writing does not look that bad to me. What is so much worse then previous trek? If we do not cherry pick the best of the past against the worst of the new, writing is better or on the same level of what we saw before.

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    [–] 43 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    “When did Star Trek get so woke?” — My idiot former boss.

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    [–] 32 points 5 months ago (4 children)
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    [–] 29 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (7 children)

    The new trek was cancelled because some people hated it and had outsized influence.

    So thanks, those of us who liked it don’t get any more of what we liked because a few dicks had outsized influence.

    I don’t get to enjoy something because you didn’t like it. Thanks.

    You could have just not watched it, but instead you had to ruin it for me too.

    Fuck you. We all need to stop watching these fuckwits who think they know more than us. Unsubscribe from these channels. Stop watching them. They’re ruining our ability to watch things.

    e: I mean the snarky review channels and podcasts. Especially those that always hate everything. You know the ones. The hate influencers.

    It’s hard to find creative media that lasts more than a few seasons now. Many good things are cancelled after 1 or 2 seasons. Junk media (celebrity or ‘live’ series) are renewed basically forever tho.

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  • [–] 18 points 5 months ago* (4 children)

    The show felt unfocused and confused. The characters, like the storylines, were kinda all over the place and didn’t really seem to know where they were going. Too much effort seemed to be put into the show’s set and setting, and not enough effort went into the things that went into the sets and settings. It had a lot of potential, but it all of it never really seemed to come together.

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  • [–] 24 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    It was the first season (and only 10 episodes in, at that, because TV production is stupid these days).

    Imagine if you could only judge, say, TNG on the first 10 episodes.

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  • [–] 13 points 5 months ago

    On one hand, I would say that it was, by far, the worst first season of any Star Trek show so far. On the other hand, I don’t think it deserved to be canceled. Just heavily reworked, much like TNG after its first season.

    But Kurtzman has a pretty poor track record, and it’s just been getting worse and worse and worse. With the exception of Lower Decks, which was exceptionally awesome. seriously. That show was fucking amazing, and I really miss it.

    Academy has a great premise, and I actually really like all of the actors and the prototypical concepts for the characters, but the rendering of all of them is just a total mess. it’s hard to say what to do with all of them because, honestly, I hardly even know where to start. There’s just so much… I don’t even know where to start. It’s a lot. It’s like I have all of the ingredients for a really awesome Thanksgiving dinner, but someone put them all in a blender. And now I have to deconstruct the whole thing and start from scratch. Like, it’s all there, but someone makes it all up the wrong way. I don’t know.

    I didn’t know the show was canceled. That’s too bad. It deserved another chance. You could tell all of those actors were working really really hard, and they all had a lot of talent. Honestly? I think that they deserved a lot better.

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  • [–] 9 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

    Yeah unfortunately nothing works like it did during TNG-era anymore. There's no more syndication, no soft continuity resets, no time to try different things. Every season of a show has to be a 12 hour movie, with every episode integral to the last. You just can't do that for more a handful of seasons before show runs out of steam dramatically. Shows have be in the groove from the start or they're just going to be cancelled.

    It's why I don't even bother torrenting any series anymore. It's a failure of the modern enshitified financified mega monopoly dystopia rather than the shows themselves though.

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    [–] 27 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    A few years back, I was speaking to a roommate. I complained that the (then) new Star Trek had forced diversity. He immediately shut me down, "Star Trek has ALWAYS been like that". He was a huge fan of Star Trek

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  • [–] 17 points 5 months ago (11 children)

    Why would you even complain about that in the first place?

    People tend to think that "forced diversity" is something being pushed from the top, but the people who own Hollywood are literally paying money to the right wing who limits diversity.

    My personal belief is that there are simply a lot of homosexuals and trans people in the art world. Whether it be make up artists, actors or screenwriters, i think aaaaall of this is a lot more normal amongst creatives than it is among the regular population.

    So obviously, its gonna show up more in movies and shows, than in real life. Because the people making the art knows these actual people.

    People tend to forget when watching a movie, that just like when looking at a painting, they are in fact watching someone else art, and they are welcome to just not look at it, or find artists that more aligned with their bigoted views.

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  • [–] 16 points 5 months ago (6 children)

    Star Trek (TOS) never needed to BE about diversity, because it was set in a utopian future where racism, and sexism weren't problems anymore. You had an entire multi-racial cast on the bridge of a starship so just from THAT you knew that racism wasn't a problem in the future. There was no more war, poverty, disease or crime. Conflict only came from humanity's meetings with alien races.

    TOS Star Trek never needed to beat you over the head every 5 minutes with how gay someone was because that wasn't a problem in the 23rd century. Nobody gave a shit.

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  • [–] 11 points 5 months ago (6 children)

    Now don't get me wrong, I think the best way for Trek to handle queer issues is to just put queer people on the bridge. A gay Riker equivalent or a trans woman who talks about her past with the same discomfort but honesty as how Picard talks about his is what I want. And in that vein I'm still on my first watch of TNG and it'll be a while before I get to nutrek.

    But I'm not going to pretend that to a certain portion of the population TOS wasn't seen as being overly preachy on race. But seeing as I haven't gotten to TOS yet either, I will say that in modern day I do think TNG was a bit preachy about disability and I'm glad they were.

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    [–] 26 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Exactly. Star Trek takes place in utopia - and the creators' version of utopia is one with equality, freedom, and respect for all. If someone's version of utopia doesn't align with this, I think that says a lot more about them than it does about how "woke" Star Trek is

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    [+] 16 points 5 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (4 children)
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    [–] 15 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    shat is part of the problem, outspoken anti-trans

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  • [–] 36 points 5 months ago

    He is.

    Doesn't mean we can't take him out of context and use his words to advocate for more than just the things he thinks they advocate.

    He has it right here. That he doesn't fully know that is his problem.

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    [–] 11 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    The worst part (in my opinion) is that if I criticize star trek academy a lot of folks assume I'm some hate filled right wing chud because of all the extremely bad faith criticisms by hate filled right wing chuds.

    When in reality I just think it's poorly written and very self congratulatory, just like Discovery and Picard were.

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