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The way they talk about it makes it sound like they invented the written word, but that notwithstanding the fonts actually look really nice in my opinion.

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[–] [email protected] 69 points 1 year ago (11 children)

People actually change fonts in their IDE? I've always used whatever the default is and never even thought about it.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 year ago (4 children)
[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

I'm a big fan of Fira Code! I haven't found any others I like more.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I always do. I'm a fan of JetBrains Mono.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago

What makes this unique is that they're saying this allows for different fonts in the same piece of code. So you could have comments in one font, your code in another, AI written code in another, etc. Looks like all the fonts are the same size, so everything still aligns nicely.

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[–] [email protected] 62 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Calling it now, Radon will become the new Comic Sans.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Honestly I could see radon for comments only. It makes it clear that it's a comment by the font alone.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yeah, I looked at the first couple of fonts, then read all that stuff about readability this, state of the art that, expressive palettes la-di-da and I thought "ok maybe they have an idea here".

Then I looked at the rest of the examples and ran into that… thing. Like, the fucker's so aggressively irritating to read that you could use that font to hide eg. backdoors in code, and reviewers would instinctively skip over those parts just to avoid the pain.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

I mean, Comic Code is pretty damn good.

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 year ago (2 children)

That was interesting how they adjusted sizes based on adjacent letters. Good idea

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Great idea but the name texture healing is terrible. It’s not healing anything and there are no textures with fonts. Dynamic or flexible weight makes a lot more sense.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I agree that texture healing is a bit too vague about that they’re really using it for. Its really for kerning pair without disrupting the monospaced grid. Maybe, since the audience for these fonts aren’t usually typographers, they should have called it Monospaced Kerning Pairs?

Texture is a term and feature of typefaces in design however. Usually described for fonts used in body text, or larger blocks of text.

While it probably doesn’t affect shorter lines of text used in most coding languages, it can be harder to read when smaller sizes are used. Monospaced MmWw are the worst culprits.

One memorable observation on typographic texture was made by Heinz Peyer, a Swiss poet, who said that reading a text composed in Helvetica was like walking through a field of stones, whereas reading a text in Syntax was like walking through a field of flowers. (23)

Form is often susceptible to logical analysis, and pattern somewhat so, but texture evades precise description because its repetitions are so numerous, its features so small, and its interactions so refined, that the multifarious complexity of the emergent image resists orderly analysis. Texture requires a holistic more than an analytic under­ standing.

Source

Ironically the second paragraph is turning out to be largely incorrect with smarter ways to analyze blocks of typeface texture. Also this second paragraph nicely illustrates the utter wankery present in a lot of typography circles and analysis.

Gotta justify that grad school bill somehow (pun intended).

Edited for spelling

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Too bad I'm married to JetBrains Mono.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I like Hack as my font of choice, but I will probably give this a shot. It's a font, there is no risk of data collection, Microsoft style bugs, or other Microsoft-associated product issues.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It's a font, there is no risk of data collection...

TeamViewer checks for a font their app installs when visiting their website to fingerprint you.

https://www.ctrl.blog/entry/teamviewer-font-privacy.html

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (6 children)

In my web browser I personally use uBlock Origin to just block all remote fonts and browse with a JS disabled by default policy. It's an annoying but necessary compromise, in my opinion.

Also, in Firefox v118 a new feature was introduced to curtail the font fingerprint route as well: "The visibility of fonts to websites has been restricted to system fonts and language pack fonts to mitigate font fingerprinting in Private Browsing windows."

I'm sure you know this, but for anyone else scrolling through the comments it is actually ridiculous how much data websites can query and receive to fingerprint users from the web browser. Just look at https://amiunique.org -- "WHY IS THIS ALLOWED?" is the question I have asked for many years now.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

I used Dejavu Sans for like 10 years, and Hack is the perfect incremental improvement. I've tried to use other fonts but I keep coming back to Hack.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

They really look nice. A good font makes a huge difference.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago (5 children)
[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

Thanks I hate it

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago

Very interesting technique to get the widths of the glyphs uniform without them looking ugly in most cases. OK, one can make it look bad if you know the "pain points" of the system, but in normal flowing texts, the fonts do look good.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Looks lovely! The art of fonts is something I will never understand but always appreciate. This website is also brilliant in showing everything dynamically and explaining why it all matters. Safe to say Github will start using it everywhere? It's also open source, which is nice (and makes sense considering what Github is striving for).

Edit: Not 100% sure on texture healing though. Toggling it on and off in the example makes me feel like texture healing makes everything look weirder. It makes the font look less monospace which should be good, but it just messes with my mind when some letters look slightly different in different contexts. Like the spacing is not immediately obvious to me and having the same letters look different is throwing my mind in a loop. I guess I'll need to try it to see if it's comfortable.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That Krypton font do looking nice

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yeah, like, since when does Microsoft put out something both functional and cool, ya know?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Like Age of Empires?

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

https://www.programmingfonts.org/#hack

You can check out fonts here and filter based on mono spacing, ligatures, etc. Hack is by far my favorite font but I just wish I could use it with nerdfont/jetbrains ligatures. It just has this beautiful way of being able to look open and readable while taking up less space than fonts like fira or jetbrains.

Cool for them for making a font, but personally don't think it's up to firacode, hack, jetbrains or many other fonts out there

Wait, why did they invent the phrase "texture healing" for literally what all mono space fonts try to do: make a monospace font that doesn't look like cluttered shit.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Wait, why did they invent the phrase “texture healing” for literally what all mono space fonts try to do: make a monospace font that doesn’t look like cluttered shit.

They explain it as the same way cursive fonts can have variations on the letters so that they match up (the loop of the y into the e for example). I think it works by having various versions of each glyph: normal, wider to the left, wider to the right, etc) and then pick the glyph based on the surrounding ones.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Having different font styles depending on the context is a really nice feature. I'll definitely give it a try.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It's a cool idea and the example they gave actually seemed pretty neat.

I'd (somewhat perversely) love to see this feature tried in a terminal emulator. ANSI does actually define escape codes for switching to alternative fonts (ESC [ 10 m through ESC [ 19 m) though I don't know of any software or even term drawing library that uses it.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I didn't think I had strong opinions on fonts.

Turns out I viscerally despise "handwriting" fonts. They're harder to read. It just makes me recoil.

I also intensely dislike "ligatures " that turn like == into a separate glyph. Or the one that turns >= into the > with the line under it. No. Stop. That's not what I typed. That's not what I'm looking for when I scan the text.

Side note: I assume someone is feeling clever and is thinking of replying with a handwriting font message with ligatures. You don't have to. I already imagined it.

The texture healing seems cool though, but I didn't immediately notice or understand until I read through the detailed section on it.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Really confusing name for new users, considering we have monotype fonts... Guess we should be happy they didn't name it monatype...

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

I'm a simple man, I just use DejaVu Sans Mono without any ligatures or other fancy stuff.

Works everywhere.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This "texture healing" seems to be based on commit mono's smart kerning https://commitmono.com/ although it only shifts letters around, it doesn't change the characters.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

At least 1Il & 0O are different and (mostly) easily distinguishable in all the variants. Only exception is in the Argon variant 1 and l are too similar IMO.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Will they replace Consolas in Windows with this one or is it a GitHub-only-thing? In Consolas the characters 1 and l look very similar, making the font unsuitable for coding and terminal use, so it would be good if they replaced it with something else.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

I want to make a joke about how terrible the name is with just throwing in an 'a', but I don't think it would be right since I'm using Fira Code.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

The texture healing technique is technically brilliant, but imho looks weird.

I will stick to Source Code Pro.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

I mean, they look nice, but I don't dislike whatever the default font that I use is, and I'm definitely not going to go out of my way to change a font. As long as it's legible, I don't really give two shits what the font is.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I use Comic Mono and love it. Code is 100% easier on the eyes and to read.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

So I agree with OP on the style of the press release being infuriating.

It seems like a lot of tech releases these days are written for non technical journalists (ie The Verge), "tech influencers", and cargo cultists. They always read in a way that's super overhyped to the point where you almost want to be dismissive of the end product as a form of protests.

However the tech seems cool. Between VSCode and GitHub we'll be seeing a lot of feedback sooner or later.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

cool. i will still use fira code, but it may be a nicer default alternative to courier new

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

This is brilliant. Definitely going to try this tomorrow.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Cascading Code failed to impress me, although I'll give this one a try, I doubt it's better than Consolas.

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