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[–] 171 points 5 months ago (4 children)

What a stupid world we've allowed to be concocted.

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  • [–] 21 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Past few years I've been reading a shitty sci-fi series. In this series there's a race of creatures whose entire society is founded on gambling. They bet on everything, and people frequently bankrupt themselves. The moment you look at that world-building with even a little bit of scrutiny it falls apart in its stupidity.

    This is even dumber.

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  • [–] 136 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    Most cyberpunk read today.

    How that shit is not illegal is beyond me. Gambling is already predatory but outside of sports and in fucking armed conflicts is abhorrent.

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    [–] 95 points 5 months ago (6 children)

    So uh… what are the odds on polymarket for the guy getting killed?

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  • [–] 61 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    Can you put out a contract on someone just by betting on polymarket that they won't die by a particular date?

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    [–] 81 points 5 months ago* (10 children)

    “If you decide to go with your ego and not with your head, you are leaving behind dozens of wealthy people from all over the world who will know that you performed market manipulation and stole from them. They know who you are, you don’t know who they are. It took them less than 5 minutes to find out exactly where you live … how often you see your lovely parents … and exactly who your … brothers and sisters are.”

    So the guy threatening the journalist to change his story so the gambler can make money isn't market manipulation, but the journalist not changing his story is....

    What scary about this, and it was mentioned in the article, is how future stories by less than ethical "journalist" can be purchased so that one side can become rich. Fuck accuracy it's all about the money.

    Well it's not like that is already the case with social media, but I would like to think there is at least some aspect of reporting that is based in ethics and truth.

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  • [–] 45 points 5 months ago (8 children)

    Polymarket is one of many direct evidence of the impending fall of society.

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  • [–] 36 points 5 months ago (7 children)

    It's one of those things that would seem excessive in a story.

    A place so decadent that everything was to bet for. Even as the world ended around them, they gambled on how.

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  • [–] 22 points 5 months ago* (2 children)

    It's the real life version of the intro to Cyberpunk 2077, with the radio host talking about bets on the death toll in Night city.

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  • [–] [S] 35 points 5 months ago

    Oh yeah, it is messed up and doesnt even cover the section where apparently another journalist the writer knows was bribed to try and coerce the flow of information to get that win. It basically confirms that there is already a willing lack of integrity somewhere to think it would work here.

    A few hours later, a colleague from another media outlet messaged me. He said that someone he knew asked him to ask me to change the report on the missile impact in Beit Shemesh, and that it would be “negligible” for me if I did make the change.

    Going further, the acquaintance even offered the journalist compensation, from his winnings, if he managed to convince me to change my report.

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  • [–] 55 points 5 months ago

    Time to boost this post. I have received death threats from Zionist, but I have a feeling these poly market people are scarier since they have money on the line

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  • [–] 50 points 5 months ago (19 children)

    Polymarket is one of the largest prediction markets in the world, where users can wager their money on the likelihood of future events, using cryptocurrency, debit or credit cards, and bank transfers.

    So this is a market place where rich people can bet on how gruesome poor people can die in war zones and genocides. Is this any different from the rich hunting the poor for sport? Instead of a trigger, they click a button, but it's not that different.

    Isn't humanity awesome? Can we please start jailing these (or at this point, all) psychopaths?

    Seriously, 99% of the population consists of awesome people that take care of one another. The problem is that psychopaths, like the ones from the article, have the need to be on top and control everything and we let them.

    Seriously, as far as I can tell, humanity could kill a few 10.000s psychopaths and all of the sudden, no more wars, no more hunger, no more conflicts, no more senseless pollution, the world could heal and humanity could enter a phase of sustainable awesomeness.

    No. I am not suggesting we kill them, it was just to make the point. However, I do feel we need to start testing people for psychopathy (as far as possible and work in better screening) to ensure we keep these fuckers from positions of power and money. We need to stop psychopaths from gaining any real power.

    Hell, if it were up to me, nobody would get great power or money. I'd have a world wide wealth cap, nobody can be worth over, say 1 or 10 million. Anything over that goes to taxes. THAT will stop people.frok amassing great wealth and power and just stop this shit

    For the website: I wish people were still masquerading as Anonymous and would just continuously hack this site into the ground where it belongs, next to its disgusting creators.

    Fuck I hate this world :(

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago (8 children)

    No. I am not suggesting we kill them

    Why not?

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  • [–] 13 points 5 months ago (6 children)

    Because suggesting outright premeditated killing for people with a given trait, regardless of whether they have actually offended in any way or are an active threat or whether killing them is the only way to stop them being one, is kinda genocidal. We should never advocate killing people for things they cannot control.

    Killing someone is, as our technology goes today, final. It robs them of all potential, all freedom, of the most basic human right: life. It is a heartless thing to do to someone, regardless of motivation. Yes, when you're under attack, killing your attacker is valid, but it should never be taken lightly and inherently devalues their life in favour of your own survival. It is a trade we should accept, but also be aware of.

    But reflexively resorting to murder when there is no immediate need for it infringes on fundamental human rights. And doing so indiscriminately for a psychological condition is, quite frankly, no better than killing people for their ethnicity or religion.

    Restrict them from seeking power for a fundamental incompatibility with the requirements for empathetic governance, but do not call for their death. Do not forsake your own empathy.

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    [–] 46 points 5 months ago (61 children)

    Gambling needs to simply be made illegal

    I don’t care what your arguments are gambling needs to be made illegal

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  • [–] 47 points 5 months ago (37 children)

    I think it's fair for it to be legal, but only in specific locations and contexts. I think small scale gambling between friends and coworkers is fine. I think well regulated casinos are bad but serve as a deterrent to underground criminal gambling. I think having legal gambling through the internet and on your phone, advertised everywhere is a serious problem.

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  • [–] 21 points 5 months ago (11 children)

    Prohibition on vices never works, it just sends the money to criminal organizations that kill people instead of capitalist companies that kill less people.

    The solution is to have it be state run, remove the profit motive, and send any money gained from it to education and social services.

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  • [–] 10 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    House always wins. It's literally just a way to steal people's money.

    And in the city I live now, they passed a law for those stupid slot machines like 10 years ago.

    Now they are everywhere.

    You know who sits at slot machines?

    Old people. Retired people.
    People living off social security.

    It's literally a way to steal money from people who need it most. And specifically, it was tax payers money.

    So whenever I hear ,"but it creates revenue" I think. "Yeah by stealing it from the state and our seniors. Wtf. That's not real revenue."

    And this whole idea of autonomy. Like people have to choose for themselves if they want to gamble.

    We all know it's addictive. And it's designed to trick and manipulate people.

    There is less autonomy there than you think.

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    [–] 44 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Holy shit.

    Not only this is horrifying cause of the threats, it’s also very unsettling that something with such a recipe for disaster would attract so many rubes to be a working business model.

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  • [–] 38 points 5 months ago

    We should make sure every person on the Internet has their identity confirmed at the device level and then we can punish these people for writing the wrong Iran story.

    • Department of War
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  • [–] 32 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    US: promotes no gambling to children by suing Valve and their lootboxes mechanics

    Also US: has an app where anyone can gamble on real life events.

    🤷‍♂️

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    [–] 30 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    The only way to fight this is to make a new bet on polymarket to profit off the odds that this journalist is killed by the gamblers in polymarket.

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  • [–] 17 points 5 months ago

    The "gamble on news" site causing psychos to threaten journalists wasn't something I expected, but I blame a lack of imagination on my part regarding human depravity.

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  • [–] 16 points 5 months ago

    I feel like if I were trying to manipulate that market I'd be trying to bend reality in a better direction.

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  • [–] 15 points 5 months ago (7 children)

    For those asking the same question I have: how is this legal? surprisingly informative video:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOptJl8Xkx0

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  • [–] 34 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    The 21st century really is the "It might seem illegal, but we called it something else, so it's not" century, especially for the US.

    It's not gambling, it's a prediction market, or loot boxes. It's not war, it's a military operation. It's not bribery, it's lobbying. It's not drug dealing, it's encouraging doctors to prescribe medications which happen to be extremely addictive...

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    [–] 15 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    So what happens to him if he does change the story? Like... The new losers will be PISSED at him. It's a no-win situation.

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    [–] 14 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Shame death threats aren't prosecutable

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  • [–] 12 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Given all the entanglements of all the big players, I genuinely wonder how much polymarket is predicting vs influencing events

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  • [–] 9 points 5 months ago

    This was my takeaway from the article as well. Before the death threat, how many asks did the reporter get to change their reporting? How easy is out to cut someone in by promising $5K of they change just one little word? Who would it harm?

    It seriously gave me dystopian hellscape vibes.

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  • [–] 10 points 5 months ago

    I really hope their money loss is huge and will bankrupt them, because I doubt they will otherwise let any consequences for their threats

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