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[–] [email protected] 285 points 1 year ago (6 children)

But he... wasn't. He lost the presidency in 1932 to Paul Von Hindenburg (53% to 37%. not even particularly close) who later appointed Hitler under pressure to the channclorship (which was an appointed role) in 1933. Hindenburg died in January of 1934 and Hitler de facto merged the presidency and chancelorship into one office (Fuhrer). The story isn't "regular people put Hitler in power", it's "broken legislative systems are vulnerable to facists".

[–] [email protected] 174 points 1 year ago (2 children)

broken legislative systems are vulnerable to fascists

Lucky America doesn't have a broken legislative sys... Oh no

[–] [email protected] 82 points 1 year ago (1 children)

At least we have a good judici...

Fuck.

[–] [email protected] 56 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We can rest easy knowing that the judiciary is subject to checks and b…

God damn it.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

But i mean.. at least there subject to some level of ethi...

Well fuck all of us.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago (2 children)
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[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago (3 children)

it’s “broken legislative systems are vulnerable to facists”.

She would know all about that. Bernie was killing Trump in the polls. Hilary was neck and neck with Trump.

The DNC cast their votes for who was going to General. A winner was announced. Everyone started to go to the announcement and for the only time in DNC history, the announcement was rescinded and everyone was broken up into different groups. Hilary staffers were observed scurrying around between groups. Then everyone was forced to vote again. THEN Hilary was declared the candidate going to General.

It was all live tweeted. It was all loudly publicized, but noone seemed to notice. Noone seemed to care.

Of course she is now going to make a historically inaccurate statement that casts actual democracy in a bad light.

That hag needs to stay under her rock.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (7 children)

I mean, there was a court case...

DNC's lawyers used the legal defense that they're a private party and can run anyone they want in the general, and because of that, it doesn't matter if they influence a primary election.

They flat out said primary elections are just a performative act, and the judge agreed with them.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago

It's their party, their candidate, and they only let the people vote as a courtesy.

Our "free" country has been run by two private institutions interested only in their own popularity for over 150 years.

We lose. Everything.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

Not sure entirely about that. Nazis were still a party that held up to 44% of seats in the reichstag (before they were all nazi) with like 6 different parties. Hitler wasn't isolated. The population voted for him and his party. Hindenburg didn't like Hitler but essentially passed away at a terrible time and Hitler outplayed Papen who was meant to keep him in check. Hindenburg felt he had to since they had the closest to a majority in the reichstag.

"In the end, the president, who had previously vowed never to let Hitler become chancellor, appointed Hitler to the post at 11:30 am on 30 January 1933, with Papen as vice-chancellor.[91] While Papen's intrigues appeared to have brought Hitler into power, the crucial dynamic was in fact provided by the Nazi Party's electoral support, which made military dictatorship the only alternative to Nazi rule for Hindenburg and his circle. [Sauce]

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

You really expect a politician to tell the truth, especially when it comes to history? She and the rest of the US political elite for decades now are just mouthpieces for interest groups, mostly military groups who make money with wars abroad. Together with the media, they sell you wars abroad, while waving any currently popular flag at home for votes. The US elections are so loud, you don't hear the sounds of pain and misery those events create abroad, especially in Middle East.

After the reports of Israeli invasion in Gaza, the first smile I saw in media was that of Hillary. When the wars and killings across northern Africa and Middle East started during the Arab Spring, her smile was the most prominent one for months.

Every time this slime of a human being crawls out of a crack in the wall in Washington somewhere, a war is either being prepared or needs justifying for the american voters. All that with a smile, while the cameras are rolling.

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[–] [email protected] 112 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (13 children)

I get it, but this take fucking worries me, dawg. The last time the Democrats played the "I don't have to try and appeal to you because the other guy is Hitler, lol" card, 'Hitler' won. It's even a little on the nose that this is coming from Hillary. I'm worried that they're falling into the same intellectually and politically bankrupt trap as in 2016, that they're aware that they don't have a meaningful platform besides "we're not republicans", and that they've somehow convinced themselves that this is enough. The republicans of 2020 and 22 also had that same absence of platform, absence of appeal, and just trying to coast on party brand, and look where that got them. Shit is on fire, we don't have time for these dumb fuck games, let alone for Trump to win again. C'mon guys, don't fuck this up.

[–] [email protected] 55 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They're always going to fuck up. That's what they do. Most of them belong in retirement communities yet for whatever reason think they have what it takes to run a government. They're disconnected from reality yet expect to appeal to regular people, who have to suffer in the reality they've created?

Expect more shitshows.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (6 children)

The grassroots efforts are the only reason Dems enjoying their recent victories. Hard-working people who want to see progress. We'd be looking at a red Congress if not for them, and I look forward to when the DNC is irrelevant, too.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago (1 children)

When she called them deplorables they ate it up. She just needs to not stick her nose in.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

yeah, i came here to post that she is not the person to voice this. anyone currently supporting trump isn't going to suddenly switch sides to his opponent in the original race, it actually just weakens the argument.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (11 children)

It’s even a little on the nose that this is coming from Hillary. I’m worried that they’re falling into the same intellectually and politically bankrupt trap as in 2016, that they’re aware that they don’t have a meaningful platform besides “we’re not republicans”, and that they’ve somehow convinced themselves that this is enough.

The irony is that... progressives absolutely do have a solid platform that people generally support. by people, I'm excluding Hilary's and Biden's Corporate Donors. Sorry, I don't have to respect Citizens United.

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[–] [email protected] 102 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hillary is toxic to the brand. The Democrats would be wise to keep her at arms distance.

[–] [email protected] 53 points 1 year ago (9 children)

It's a little sad because decades of right-wing anti-Hillary propaganda not only proved effective, but it noticeably altered Hillary into this jaded cynic completely lacking in vision or idealism. I'm not a huge Hillary fan, but the vast majority of the hate is completely manufactured outrage. That being said it doesn't change what you said being valid.

You can see them trying with AOC, but I suspect it won't yield the same results.

[–] [email protected] 45 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Dude she was a McGovern girl. She has always been an empty husk seeking power and validation

[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 year ago

She was a Goldwater Girl, which is orders of magnitude worse. McGovern would have been a massive improvement from Nixon.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

There's always been this weird push from her supporters that's anyone who doesn't like her is either a misogynist or fell for propaganda.

They just refuse to admit she has any faults.

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 year ago

She did a good enough job maligning herself, she didn't need the Republicans to do it for her. The entire DNC primary was a shitshow of Clinton debasing the primaries and showing what she would do for power.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago

but it noticeably altered Hillary into this jaded cynic completely lacking in vision or idealism

it noticeably altered hillary clinton into hillary clinton

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[–] [email protected] 78 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Someone couldn't find a photo of her looking less...Palpatine-y?

[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You're welcome to try, but it might take awhile....

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[–] [email protected] 77 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 54 points 1 year ago (6 children)

An email recently released by the whistleblowing organization WikiLeaks shows how the Clinton campaign and Democratic Party bear direct responsibility for propelling the bigoted billionaire to the White House.

In its self-described “pied piper” strategy, the Clinton campaign proposed intentionally cultivating extreme right-wing presidential candidates, hoping to turn them into the new “mainstream of the Republican Party” in order to try to increase Clinton’s chances of winning.

Ah, the real reason people hate WikiLeaks. It exposed the truth, but rather than focus on the truth people focused on the messenger.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago (6 children)

My brother in OSRS, they had emails from the Republican Party as well, but didn't release them because they said there was nothing interesting in them. I don't disagree at all that Clinton's strategy was inappropriate, but there's plenty of legitimate reasons to dislike WikiLeaks. Ironically, there's a lack of transparency on them. They should've released the GOP emails.

WikiLeaks has a problem when we need a WikiLeaks for WikiLeaks.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sadly the republicans had zero say in their slide to right wing extremism and could do nothing about it. It's not like their flirtation with the Tea Party movement meant anything.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hilarious mistake.

I suppose this would have been effective if even a fraction of the Republican voterbase was reasonable.

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[–] [email protected] 59 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'd like to say Trump would be too stupid to pull off a Hitler but the more I learn about Hitler the more I learn that he was by no means a bright man.

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[–] [email protected] 47 points 1 year ago (13 children)

I love how most of the comments here are about how much everyone hates Hillary rather than about what she actually said. I get it that people hate her, but let's be real folks; Trump is the only relevant clear and present danger here. Bitching about Hillary seems pretty pointless at this point.

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[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Shut the fuck up you old hag, you and your party got him elected by running ads supporting him and fucking Bernie in the primaries. Why can't she just fucking die already

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, I don't want to see or hear about Hilary Clinton anymore. She pushed her way in and fucking lost to Trump.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The fact that she lost the 2008 primary to Obama (basically unknown at that stage) should've been a clue that she's deeply unpopular and unelectable.

Part of it is because of decades of right wing smears, but part of it is also because she can sound very out of touch at times.

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 year ago

The best thing Hilary Clinton can do is shut the fuck up and go away

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago (9 children)

All the negative anti-Hillary comments in this thread aside, please vote responsibly in 2024.

We cannot afford another 2016 situation again.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago

“You know, I hated losing, and I especially hated losing to him because I had seen so many warning signals during the campaign,” Clinton said.

Oh you did? Then maybe you should have fucking campaigned like you were running against a fascist instead of strolling casually to your inevitable coronation.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago (33 children)

Maybe a politicker who brags about being mentored by Henry Kissinger, a war-criminal whose record matches that of Heinrich Himmler himself, shouldn't be referencing Hitler.

[–] [email protected] 52 points 1 year ago (13 children)

"matches that of Heinrich Himmler", you mean the head of the SS and one of the main people behind the holocaust?

Have you ever considered that your life, and life in general would be better if you didn't have such absurd and shrill opinions?

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Then maybe they shouldn't run with a genocide supporting senior citizen as a candidate

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (24 children)

While I'm not her fan she is right and this exactly why the current trend on. The internet of voting 3rd party is dangerous, since the Republican are not playing in good faith and they will not split their vote.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Why are things Hilly say relevant?

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I predicted in the 2016 primaries that if HRC became the Dem nominee, it would be the one thing the Right Wing in America could unify itself against- they hated her then and they still do today; I wonder if she realizes yet how big a gift it is to a splintered, ungovernable mob of political grifters to give it anything they can unify against

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago

It was the most tragic thing when Bernie was pushed aside in favour of H.Clinton, who polled very poorly.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I feel like it would be more useful if she switched sides. Like, instead of reminding us how the dnc keeps fucking us, she could remind the maga kids how close she is with Trump. Maybe they’d like him less by association.

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