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nah, they have a very well oiled justification: iran is evil. that's it. that's ultimately what it all boils down to.
yeah, cuck schumer said some shit earlier about iran being america's oldest enemy. scolding trump for not having a public debate about doing the baby killing but implicitly agreeing with the principle of the thing. classic democrat shit.
iran being america's oldest enemy
and that's not even true, Korea and Cuba have longer been thorns in the side of the empire.
I think history is vibes based now. I've been noticing a lot of libs getting their order of events conveniently confused in screenshots when they're arguing with posters who go teaching marxism to the rest of lemmy.
Can't even claim to bring democracy to Iran, their most likely candidate is the fucking Shah
Ironically my friend misspoke the other day and told me that Israel just killed the Shah of Iran. The times have been so nuts that I didn't even assume they were mistaken and mentally spun out trying to come up with a reason why Israel and America would kill both the ayetullah and the shah on the same day.
That might work on some of the smooth-brain, diehard MAGA cultists but it is not even close enough to convince the general public in the US and internationally.
eh, the rest of the west will both sides a bit and then fall in line. like this: "yes, this was poorly thought out and congress didnt approve it, but i'm glad we're bombing iran, they're evil"
and then years later they'll say it was stupid and wrong while they do nothing about the current atrocity.
and say "yes the war was bad, but the Ayatollah was evil!"
case in point: https://hexbear.net/post/7828803
second time as a farce because it's wild how they don't see it coming.
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this guy looks scary! 
“Well-oiled” 😏
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Marco Rubio literally explained why the US attacked Iran. He said that Israel was gonna attack Iran, and Iran was gonna retaliate against Israel and US military bases. So the US had to attack Iran first. Because Israel was gonna attack them. And it was gonna make Iran mad. So the US had to attack it…. And ……. Yeah
Yeah bad luck we just happened to have that fleet over there
why did Iran build their country so close to all those US military bases?
What military bases? I don't see any military bases
they've been refurbished recently
Logically, the real option would be to stop Israel then, so even that doesn't hold up.
I'm only surprised they aren't using the Iran killing protesters line
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They used to say the enemy has WMDs, now they just say the enemy might get WMDs someday
If wanting nukes warrants an attack then, shucks, president xi I have been very very naughty.
Don't forget the half-assed "Iran killed 80 million protestors and suddenly we care deeply about people protesting the government...in a country where we kill and maim protestors"
in a country where we kill and maim protestors
the US always did that, but also we made the extra effort to constantly remind everyone we kill and maim protestors in the last year.
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"and that's why we made sure to kill 150 school girls in our opening salvo"
How anyone can continue to view America and Israel on the right side of history baffles me.
by being white supremacist
well, aside from that lol
the other justifications are just euphemistic reformulations of white supremacy, like Rubio talking about "western civilization" or any of the "greatest country on Earth" shit
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They keep repeating shit about being at war with them for 47 years or whatever. They're so halfassing it.
Blatant, mask-off imperialism.
Honestly I don't even know what the imperialist reason for this war is.
iran's the last major country standing in the way of total western domination of the middle east. it's also the one that got away.
Because of oil, other crucial resources and the mere fact that Iran exists too close to Israel while being anti-imperialist & pro-Palestine is my understanding.
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Iran was promised to Israel 3,000 years ago
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The clearest statement of a justification I saw was (paraphrased, but logic intact) "Iran was going to resume moving towards the brink of developing nukes" which is so limp and passively worded that it doesn't even pretend there was any immediate urgency. I forget which politician made that particular statement but it was so fucking flaccid I laughed.
Yeah, this is exactly my point hahaha, they have next to nothing to convince people they were in the right to do this. Of course us leftists know they had no right by default but the general public in the imperial core are not going to be able to support this by this 'but but they were almost going to kind of possibly have nukes in the near future maybe!' argument alone.
Yeah. Combined with how flatfooted they were caught by the retaliation things sure seem to be absolutely peak circus right now.
Given how easy it is to whip the public into a blood frenzy its a wonder that they haven't even tried.
Amateurs. 
I'll grant them that it does make it hard to predict what unhinged decision they'll make next though.
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Might doesn't need to make right. Might makes right irrelevant
Kidnapping maduro made the US-Israel coalition think they are invincible and can just do whatever.
They got high on "OPERATION EPIC FURRY" .
I believe you mean "Operation: Epstein's Fury"
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The shorthand I always use is that they attacked Iran because they're bored. I haven't tried it because I've really disengaged from arguing. But I think, if someone engages with the idea and tries to explain a justification, you could get a lot of frustration and onlooker approval by doubling down on "it's only happening now because Epstein died and they have nothing to do."
I think boredom is part of it, before invading Venezuela, Trump was all bark, no bite, sat in charge of a dying empire and looked miserable. Now he can at least say that he is doing something I guess. But he is still in charge of a dying empire and miserable lol.
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I don't think they did it to honor Trump's good friend Epstein, it's probably just a reminder that they're running out of time (because Trump is getting old, not because the democrats will do anything about it).
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Their current line seems to be that "Iran has been at war with us for 47 years" and also that somehow they were going to reach a critical mass of missiles and become too powerful (Rubio said this, I think)
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