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[-] hardcoreufo@lemmy.world 8 points 5 hours ago

I groan a lot rewatching old shows, or don't find the jokes funny anymore in 2026, but I think people forget that society progresses.

Take the Seinfeld episode where a reporter thinks George and Jerry are partners and they freak out about it but say "not that theres anything wrong with that." The joke isn't them being called gay but their immature reaction.

A lot of younger modern viewers don't like it, and I get it. The scenes do play on a lot of stereotypes but they fail to realize in the mid 90s homosexuality was almost never mentioned on tv and when it was its was a slur. Just the act of making an episode that featured a discussion on homosexuality and didn't use it as an insult ever was progress. Yes by todays standards a lot of the sterotypical behavior George and Jerry present throughout the episode is in poor taste but it wasn't made with todays standards.

[-] Enekk@lemmy.world 3 points 4 hours ago

The other forgiving thing about Seinfeld is that they are all supposed to be fundamentally broken and bad people. You can reframe it as, yeah, they are being insensitive, but that is how they are about most things. That doesn't forgive it fully, but the show is full of things like this where they challenge the viewer to not empathize with the cast and even punish the viewers when they do.

[-] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 2 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

My wife hates watching "All in the Family", because she hates Archie.

I love watching "All in the Family", because I hate Archie. He consistently gets put in his place and gets taught a lesson. He's still crass and rude and xenophobic and racist and sexist...and that's the point.

People like that can't be fixed, but we can sure enjoy laughing at them and showing them how they are wrong. That's why I love the show.

No wonder Reiner died due to "complications of TDS", as our wonderful President put it. That asshole (the president) is practically a modern reflection of Archie Bunker, just also sundowning.

[-] kandoh@reddthat.com 2 points 5 hours ago

Can't speak to sitcoms, but I'm watching ER (1994) and it gave two excellent examples

In season one, where it was more prestigious and Michael Crichton was more directly involved, there's an episode where a trans women comes in and the doctors are uncomfortable treating her - which eventually leads to the patient's suicide. The moral being that even this person who is strange deserves compassion from us.

In season three, where it has become more of a formulaic tv drama, there's an episode where a trans woman comes in and it's played entirely for laughs, including the trans woman insisting that she gets bad PMS when on her period.

[-] BanMe@lemmy.world 3 points 4 hours ago

Yeesh. As a queer teenager in the 90s, I definitely remember TV reenforcing my fears and reducing me to a punchline. And then Will & Grace happened, and I couldn't stand the stereotypes, but suddenly people were laughing with us instead of at us. Representation matters so much. Even if it's not the best, it still matters.

[-] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 1 points 5 hours ago
[-] Enekk@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

Would you believe that this was considered racist at the time too? The play that the movie is based on has tons of reviews from the time that emphasize how racist it is. Walt saw that and said, "Ok, we can fix this by doubling down so hard that people will just assume it's a silly joke". The man was pretty racist.

[-] MehBlah@lemmy.world 7 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

How thin the skin? I've noticed stuff like that my whole life. You can't pretend it all away. No matter how much you want it to not exist it will. It moves and changes but the inherent human tendency to take a dig at someone or something you don't like will always be with us. Its the slurs you use personally without thought that you should worry about. Don't think you have never done it.

[-] null@lemmy.org 10 points 16 hours ago

I had a similar reaction to seeing brown face in Ben Hur (1959). The character itself was a positive depiction, so there's that I guess. It could have easily ruined the whole movie.

[-] graycloud@leminal.space 2 points 5 hours ago

I saw a black and white performance of blackface on youtube, I think in the context of looking it up for a college course. I don't really understand the concept or why it's supposed to be funny. In the performance, the two white actors painted their faces as they performed, and when they were done painting themselves, they didn't look like black guys. Before I saw this clip, I thought that blackface existed becasue black people weren't allowed on stage, like how Shakespearean plays had young boys play the female roles because they weren't allowed to include women.

[-] v4ld1z@lemmy.zip 7 points 16 hours ago

Currently rewatching Gilmore Girls with my fiancée and we have the same reaction when there's a hint of homophobia or fat jokes in some of the jokes. We usually just give each other a look and roll our eyes but yea, it was just a different time

[-] maplesaga@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

Now you can laugh about politically correct jokes, like if you have a lamp why do you need shade?

The world is my safe space.

[-] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 2 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

"What's the deal with lampshades? If you have a lamp, why do you need a shade?"

Meanwhile, Kramer backstage yelling out hard-N-word.

Then a half-assed apology on Comedians in Cars Getting Coffee

[-] maplesaga@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago

It was a simpler time... 2006.

[-] apparia@discuss.tchncs.de 58 points 1 day ago

I'm surprised how many people seem offended by this comic. I found it pretty relatable. That doesn't mean I "don't understand context", or think the writers were bad people, or that the shows aren't worth watching. It just means I find it personally unpleasant to find these jokes in a work I'm otherwise enjoying.

When kids study older literature and media in school, generally when there's a slur or racist reference or joke, the teacher will stop and explain the context and get the kids to reflect on it and why it's probably not acceptable today. Even though I understand this and know it going in, I'm still kind of doing an abridged version of that in my head when something like this comes up in a show -- I've been following along, laughing with the writers, and then suddenly I'm backing up and distancing myself from one joke or idea. It's jarring, it pulls me out of the show, and it's just not fun.

In some cases it also comes across as incredibly lazy and unoriginal. So many sitcoms from that era have "the trans episode", "the gay episode", "the lecherous character" -- and they all make the same unfunny jokes, and it's a reminder than a lot of these shows, even in their time, were just not that creative. Plenty of modern shows have the same problem, but they don't draw attention to it by having large classes of "stock jokes" that simply do not land today.

[-] CH3DD4R_G0BL1N@sh.itjust.works 21 points 21 hours ago

When kids study older literature and media in school, generally when there's a slur or racist reference or joke, the teacher will stop and explain the context and get the kids to reflect on it and why it's probably not acceptable today.

I still remember how my English teacher gave context on usage of the n-word in Huckleberry Finn and how insightful it was for us at that age.

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[-] InvalidName2@lemmy.zip 48 points 1 day ago

The one that still gets me, and mostly because in this day and age of 2026 it still doesn't get as much homophobic backlash as I feel it clearly deserves is the pejorative: cocksucker.

In my anecdotal experience, 99.55% of the time, it's leveraged against men and used as a homophobic slur.

But even so, is sucking cock really that terrible of a thing to do? The vast majority of people with a cock enjoy the service. We literally celebrate the people who do it well for us personally, in most cases.

Why is it used as a slur?

Anyway, I'm off to suck some cock, see ya'll later.

[-] damnedfurry@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago

99.55%

The specificity of this made me imagine that you had actually taken inventory of every single time you've encountered this in your personal life experience and done the math, lol.

[-] alonsohmtz@feddit.uk 7 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

It usually implies that whoever is giving head is being taken advantage of.

i.e. They got swindled by some shitty male into pleasing said male at the cost of their own dignity.

It doesn't happen always, but it happens often enough for the act to be seen as degrading.

[-] SethTaylor@lemmy.world 8 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

I took it to mean that the person referred to is an opportunist of sorts. A man who will perform said act on another man for some kind of benefit, despite being straight or disliking that man.

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