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[-] [email protected] 12 points 2 years ago

Are you asking if you can reroll your character under communism?

[-] [email protected] 11 points 2 years ago

Somewhat, but two points:

  1. attractiveness is not material condition, standards of beauty change over time fairly significantly. Your physical looks are getting refracted by societal norms into attractiveness.

  2. these are not material conditions marxists bang on about

[-] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago

the fuck are you asking for? You're the Ultimate Communist. brow

[-] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

No, the Marxian term of material conditions is tied to the labor’s relation to production. For example, the labor wage relations necessitate that you sell your labor to earn a living, without which you cannot survive and will perish, and this in turn dictates your material conditions, and those of your family, and those of your community.

[-] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

If you're assuming these are physical traits you are born with then thats just a very problematic way of thinking.

[-] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago

I don't wanna dissect this on a word by word basis versus the title but I feel like this is well meaning but accidently veers off into bootstrap type things on the basis of many of those factors are heavily influenced by economic factors you get born into and if they're not great it'll fuck you out of half of them

Someone working a menial job for 80 hours a week to survive is just not going to have energy to work on their intelligence or skills or health. I mean sure, some people manage, it ain't impossible, but I think setting that as the standard is the way to go.

[-] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago

Is dick size a material condition?

[-] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago
[-] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

no, these are just physical traits

minus luck

[-] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Aren't physical traits material under materialism? So if these are material and they are conditions given to you by the universe, doesnt that make them material conditions?

[-] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Material conditions in this sense refers to the social and material environment that you are surrounded by and live in

And the importance of material conditions is that it is the basis of which your ideas, beliefs, and thoughts are formed from; The physical world precedes and influences the immaterial

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

I thought that under dialectical materialism there is not such thing as “immaterial”

[-] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Not really. Luck isn't a real thing. It's a perception of our past and largely a cultural framing device for your feelings on events that occur in your life. You could argue that some people are lucky by being born into a specific family, but that's kind of a philosophical issue as it implies that that person may have instead been born into another family as if by some form of divine neonatal cleromancy.

The rest of these for the most part are not material conditions, but are factors primarily affected by your material conditions. Health and appearance are largely affected by genetics, environment, and exposure to certain compounds. Someone raised or living in an area with poor air and water quality or with little access to healthcare is likely to experience more negative health effects than someone from a cleaner environment and access to healthcare and these can affect appearance greatly. One's intelligence, skill, or dexerity are heavily affected by education, quality of home life during childhood, level of practice, healthcare, nutrition, pollution levels, and other external factors.

These external forces are largely the same for groups of people rather than individuals, which is where Marx largely applies the concept of historical (or dialectical) materialism.

The German Ideology may be helpful for further study.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I think I misunderstood your question


seems to me that your material conditions affect your stress levels, confidence, clothing, and cleanliness, all of which will have some impact on attractiveness. and doesn't it make sense that looks, dexterity, intelligence, and health are all affected by the material conditions of your childhood and adolescent development even in the face of putative genetic factors. nutrition, noise, pollution, access to physical exercise and leisure time to do it in, etc.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Why did you strike everything? That makes it hard to read.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

this is one of the Marx quotes that helped snap it into place for me

Men make their own history, but they do not make it just as they please; they do not make it under circumstances chosen by themselves, but under circumstances directly encountered, given and transmitted from the past.

from 18th Brumaire

[-] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

okay I removed it but remember I was answering a different question and kinda talking past yours.

remember you can view source with the little document button and read it that way too

[-] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago

I use an app 😅

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