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Hello everyone, this is my first time making a proper post, I hope this is the right place.

We all know that your relation to the means of production doesn't necessarily correlate to the amount of wealth you have, as in, you can have money and also be a member of the proletariat. However it is a bit obvious to see that most wealthy people are bourgeois.

Bourgeois class traitors have been part of communist movements in the past, correct me if wrong, I myself am not a member of the bourgeoisie, so perhaps it is naive of me to think that out there there are communists in such a position. My question is: What techniques should a bourgeois class traitor use to more effectively advance the communist cause? Are worker co-ops to be made immediately? Is surplus value to be distributed among all of the employees? or should communist parties rely on this surplus value as funding? should such a business strive for growth? what are the dangers of relying on such bourgeois organization?

I imagine there might be no right answer to this, but I'd like to hear your thoughts.

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[-] Богданова@lemmygrad.ml 27 points 2 days ago

There is no strength or glory to be found in poverty, it doesn't make you work harder, it doesn't make you more disciplined. In fact, if you make a club filled with a bunch of poor people struggling, it's way more likely someone will backstab.

What we need more than anything is material strength. We need organizations to keep people in check through critique and self-critique, people who are secure and motivated to work for the cause. A sympathetic class traitor can provide with a lot of this, the richer the better.

To all the billionaires reading this: Come on, do it, you live in a shithole anyways, look at the place around you, are you seriously okay with the world being like this? Side with the proletariat and you will never be erased from history dude, it's so simple, literally gonna become one of the most liked people in human history with this one small trick.

[-] Rogelio_Marciano@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 2 days ago

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[-] pyromaiden@lemmygrad.ml 16 points 2 days ago

Marx wouldn't have gotten as far as he did without Engels.

Bourgeois class traitors are always welcome so long as their contributions adequately reflect their wealth.

The sad irony is even a communist revolution costs money.

[-] SevenSkalls@hexbear.net 22 points 2 days ago

Communist bourgeois class traitors have existed. Engels ran a factory and used it to basically help fund Marx's work. While Simon Bolívar wasn't a communist, he was a revolutionary who burned all of his family's wealth to help fund it. One of PSL's main funders is some billionaire and that's one of the most effective ML orgs in the US right now.

I think currently, in my opinion, it's better now for a burgeoning bourgeois class traitor to use the surplus value for funding than it is to be a white knight about being a worker co-op and stuff like that. Ideally, they should treat their employees well too, but operating without surplus value for one company doesn't seem as useful to me right now as using that to help fund communist movements, organizations, literature, media, etc.

Fundraising is so, so important in this modern capitalist dystopia for basically any organization to exist, let alone one with the professional revolutionaries we'll need to lead the vanguard. At least, that's how I see it.

[-] MasterDeeLuke@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 2 days ago

Provide outlets and media platforms, that is the main area where the right dominates over the left and that the left could greatly use the help of a class traitor in.

[-] ashestoashes@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 2 days ago

There's a doco about one of these coming out: "All about the money" pretty wild story lmao

[-] Linxsan@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 2 days ago

Material strength,fund the orgs , fund works/books, reps who run for local or state elections . Help build the media system we desperately need etc

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