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Hello everyone, this is my first time making a proper post, I hope this is the right place.

We all know that your relation to the means of production doesn't necessarily correlate to the amount of wealth you have, as in, you can have money and also be a member of the proletariat. However it is a bit obvious to see that most wealthy people are bourgeois.

Bourgeois class traitors have been part of communist movements in the past, correct me if wrong, I myself am not a member of the bourgeoisie, so perhaps it is naive of me to think that out there there are communists in such a position. My question is: What techniques should a bourgeois class traitor use to more effectively advance the communist cause? Are worker co-ops to be made immediately? Is surplus value to be distributed among all of the employees? or should communist parties rely on this surplus value as funding? should such a business strive for growth? what are the dangers of relying on such bourgeois organization?

I imagine there might be no right answer to this, but I'd like to hear your thoughts.

[-] ernidel@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 1 week ago

Capitalist society promotes a specific kind of thinking for working class people, and for the bourgeoisie, It wouldn't be far fetched to think that psychology could be used as a tool of the capitalist state to influence the superstructure of society.

Treatment for a specific diagnostic is not the same for all groups of people, one known example is that black people in the US are over-diagnosed with schizophrenia while having the same symptoms as white people who were not diagnosed with schizophrenia. This is especially concerning with the use of psych wards as prisons more than places of recovery.

The idea of a chemical imbalance in the brain causing mental disorders is apparently debated between psychologists, which I think makes sense considering that it happens to be a very convenient idea for pharmaceutical companies promoting chemical treatments to disorders. Personally I am not against the use of drugs, but only when the person is completely free to decide their preferred state of their psyche, under capitalism we are not free to choose as we must be as productive as possible to survive.

And besides those things, psychology does have a pretty bad history, like the treatment of women and LGBT+ people, and racism.

However I do think there is a genuine place in society for the study of the mind, and it's unclear to me if the character of psychology is due to science itself having the political character supported by the material base, or if it has always existed as a tool of oppression.

[-] ernidel@lemmygrad.ml 21 points 2 weeks ago

I commented on the thread on hexbear but I'll say it here for the sake of perhaps starting a conversation, I think linking cognitive capacity to people becoming reactionaries, is itself a reactionary and ableist idea. Has lead/covid/microplastics affected the cognitive capacity of the population? Yes, most likely, but this alone does not turn a population towards reaction. Being "smart" doesnt turn you into a communist, being disabled doesnt turn you into a reactionary.

[-] ernidel@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 2 weeks ago

I am deeply disappointed seeing how many people in this thread think that the problem with this argument is invoking genetics as the biological cause of reactionary thought, instead of the actual problem that "intelligence" or cognitive capacity has nothing to do with one's ability to be class conscious or to have solidarity with their own class. Not lead, not covid, and not microplastics can turn a population towards reaction, even if it does affect their cognitive capacity. Being disabled does not make you a reactionary. Being 'smart' doesn't make a communist.

[-] ernidel@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 3 months ago

We certainly do not need a day to celebrate christianity that's for sure

[-] ernidel@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 3 months ago

Hello everyone, I'm new here, I've been lurking around for a little bit and have finally decided to get myself a lemmygrad account. 🫡 🫡

[-] ernidel@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 3 months ago

There has been studies about the effects of search engines on memory before, which I believe might be the closest thing to what we are seeing again today. (DOI 10.1126/science.1207745)

How relevant will these changes to our society really be? we cannot fall into believing in the concept of the "denegeration" of society, you are not going to destroy people's brains in a decade, or even a hundred years, of using a computer tool (!! not to say anything of actual material changes such as pandemics or pollution !!). This is not to say it will have no effect at all, but rather that the effects will be temporary, and will become yet another facet of capitalist society that will disappear with our transition to communism.

[-] ernidel@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 3 months ago

Because the vast majority of human jobs do not require human intelligence. For example, manual labor. Manual labor typically involves moving items from one place to another, searching for items, moving around an environment, etc.

This cannot be true if

Evolution is the true source of human intelligence. An 18-year-old human has 18 years of human experience, and 1 billion years of evolutionary experience.

Within those 1 billion years of evolutionary experience came the experience of interacting with objects in the most primitive way, which is also part of human intelligence.

I agree with the general idea of AI being unable to be "intelligent" as we humans are "intelligent", but I believe it is more relevant to say that this is because intelligence is not a real metric, through experience we can gain multiple skills that allow us to interact with the world around us, but we cannot really turn all of those skills into a single metric (and where that has been tried, it only served to measure one's familiarity with the testing method/language/culturally valued skills).

Knowledge is not found inward. The idea of a “know-all” AI that purely iterates internally is invalid.

This is true, i just wanted to highlight it because it reminds me of how (neo)rationalists think, they happen to be the biggest supporters of AI.

ernidel

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