How to actually move to china? : asklemmygrad

[-] cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml 28 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

You're probably not getting Chinese citizenship. I'm sorry. China just isn't that kind of immigrant country. You can get a visa to study or work there though. China recently introduced a visa specifically for young skilled professionals. You live there for a number of years on a visa, and you can then look into ways to get a longer term residency permit. And of course it's much easier to get that if you're married to a Chinese citizen.

Since you're still in college you actually have some really great opportunities. Imo the best thing you can do is to look for a way to do a semester or two abroad in China. While you're there learn the language, make some connections, get to know how the academic system works. Then, once you get your Bachelor's degree, try to enroll in a Chinese university for your Master's.

Either that or look for job opportunities in China with your degree. As i said, China is currently very welcoming to educated foreign professionals and they have streamlined the visa process a lot for that specific purpose. There's never been a better time to go for it, if this path is something you're interested in.

But in any case, whether you decide to continue your studies after your Bachelor's degree or not, i would strongly recommend that you look into the possibility of going abroad for a semester during your studies. Even if it's not to China. It's a great opportunity to broaden your horizons.

[-] miz@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 4 days ago

bit idea: Bethunemaxxing

[+] rentasintorn@lemmygrad.ml 21 points 4 days ago

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[-] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 17 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Getting HK residency is relatively straight forward too. You can get permanent residency by legally working and living there for a continuous period of 7 years. After that, you apply to the Immigration Department for verification. This grants you permanent resident status in Hong Kong.

Although, that does not make you a Chinese citizen, you would still have to go through a separate naturalization process for Chinese nationality.

[-] Marat@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 3 days ago

Thank you for providing an actual answer. I hate the people both here and on reddit who look at this question and just get incensed by the audacity for some reason.

[-] Comprehensive49@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 4 days ago

If you get Taiwanese citizenship, you can pretty much go everywhere in China. The government is very deliberate to treat Taiwanese equivalent to mainland Chinese. You could probably just try that.

[-] Conselheiro@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Find out if your college has any partnership with the Confucius Institute and enroll in their Chinese classes. They have a lot of exchange opportunities which are a good first step.

[-] BarrelsBallot@lemmygrad.ml -4 points 3 days ago

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[-] Marat@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Hyper moralism is certainly the indication of a good ideological understanding.

Snideness aside...what? What type of fucking logic is this? Don't try to...improve your life? What? If the chinese people allow immigration, then what goddamn moral grandstanding is it to be like "no they shouldn't let you in because you're profiting off their hard work." Thats not marxist logic, that's not even any logic. It's pure foolishness. People are up voting this complete garbage? Did people here get concussed between yesterday and now?

Edit: This is also coming from the same people who are like "oh America will never have a revolution ever" or just "nuke america." People wondered why i had that outburst a couple months ago and this is why.

[-] BarrelsBallot@lemmygrad.ml -4 points 3 days ago

I take personal umbrage with people who want to leave the imperial core now that they aren't enjoying the spoils as much as their lineage have.

The United States will definitely have some sort of revolution, I'm not sure how I've become apart of the group who apposes that- I just think that those who have benefited from global exploitation- owe the rest of the world some effort in dismantling that system, rather than fleeing to the shade of another society that has put in that work.|

Everyone is welcome to try and improve their personal life, I think the U.S has historically incentivized that drive. But I'm not sure that a personal fixation such as this, is compatible with the type of societal fervor necessary for any substantive political change.

[-] pyromaiden@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 3 days ago

pal some of us want to leave because we're at risk of being murdered by our government, not because we have less treats

be serious

[-] BarrelsBallot@lemmygrad.ml -1 points 2 days ago

Trust that I am being serious here.

I understand that many in the U.S want to leave for the sake of self preservation, and that's fine.

But the truth is that provided a comfortable status in the U.S social hierarchy were maintained- most would take no issue with returning to a state of pre-overtly-fascist-normalcy. An opportunity to go back to brunch if you will.

I would submit that you and I both can point to many decades in recent U.S history, where Americans that enjoyed a higher standard of living (better wages, cheaper housing, etc) took no issue with means required to produce those ends.

What I've really been getting at, is the tendency of U.S citizens to only act in the interest of themselves when things get uncomfortable. As apposed to taking meaningful action.

Trust also, that I am not making a purely moral argument. What we're speaking about here is very difficult- and I am aware of all that incentivizes the behavior I'm calling out.

[-] pyromaiden@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 2 days ago

Then you should understand that Americans aren't unique in this respect.

Do you think if the average Russian peasant had sufficient treats they would have still overthrown the Tsar?

Of course not because you and I know that the whole point of giving the proles more treats is to prevent revolution. If it didn't work social democracy as a movement would not exist.

Likewise you and I both know that as the treats dry up the proles become more radically-inclined. Americans aren't special in this regard and it's bizarre to act like we're being uniquely selfish when this is literally how it works: treats or revolution.

How willing a people are to overthrow their oppressive government depends entirely on how much they're able to stomach that oppression.

[-] BarrelsBallot@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 1 day ago

I was initially confused reading this because you're not saying anything I currently or used to disagree with.

My mentioning of the U.S specifically was not to say that the U.S is entirely unique- although, I would claim that we're in a more advantageous position to act in some regard.

[-] Marat@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 3 days ago

You're assuming things about op that can't be gotten from the post. How do you know their lineage? They could be descended from any number of people who didnt enjoy those spoils either. The only thing is that they're "wealthy" enough to go to college and emmigrate.

Also, exodus of skilled workers has been a weapon employed by the imperialist nations for decades now. From east Berlin to former yugoslavia brain drains have been an active threat. Why can't progressive people act in the same way?

And it's a wierd catch 22, you're not allowed to leave and live in a self sufficient country that doesn't rely on mass imperialism, but also if they live in the imperial core they're morally responsible for the system they were born into.

[-] BarrelsBallot@lemmygrad.ml -1 points 3 days ago

Though most likely applicable, my statement is more general- nothing against OP.

[-] Raverfield@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 3 days ago

I'm not sure i agree. Taking Nazi-Germany for example, i wouldn't say it was a smart decision to stay for most people. It was basically suicide. Ok, the USA are different, but the fear is the same.

We need the support of the masses and looking at the liberals i'm not sure whether they'll turn on us (insert "no, don't trust the liberals. They'll betray you"-meme here).

Sometimes one must fight and sometimes one must retreat to fight another day (see mao).

[-] BarrelsBallot@lemmygrad.ml -1 points 3 days ago

I stand by my original message but apologize that it came off as overtly offensive, it wasn't my intention to be rude

[-] DiamatLens@lemmygrad.ml -4 points 3 days ago

Figure out how to get involved and fight back. Running away helps nothing.

[+] tastemyglaive@lemmy.ml -14 points 3 days ago

as soon as you guys get an idea other than China I am helping lmao

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