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How to actually move to china?
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Hyper moralism is certainly the indication of a good ideological understanding.
Snideness aside...what? What type of fucking logic is this? Don't try to...improve your life? What? If the chinese people allow immigration, then what goddamn moral grandstanding is it to be like "no they shouldn't let you in because you're profiting off their hard work." Thats not marxist logic, that's not even any logic. It's pure foolishness. People are up voting this complete garbage? Did people here get concussed between yesterday and now?
Edit: This is also coming from the same people who are like "oh America will never have a revolution ever" or just "nuke america." People wondered why i had that outburst a couple months ago and this is why.
I take personal umbrage with people who want to leave the imperial core now that they aren't enjoying the spoils as much as their lineage have.
The United States will definitely have some sort of revolution, I'm not sure how I've become apart of the group who apposes that- I just think that those who have benefited from global exploitation- owe the rest of the world some effort in dismantling that system, rather than fleeing to the shade of another society that has put in that work.|
Everyone is welcome to try and improve their personal life, I think the U.S has historically incentivized that drive. But I'm not sure that a personal fixation such as this, is compatible with the type of societal fervor necessary for any substantive political change.
Hard work is an understatement for sure, and I'm just not pessimistic enough to think that death or even internment in a camp is as likely as you say.
We have many more opportunities for struggle in the U.S compared even to the successful countries that many of us would like to immigrate to.
pal some of us want to leave because we're at risk of being murdered by our government, not because we have less treats
be serious
Trust that I am being serious here.
I understand that many in the U.S want to leave for the sake of self preservation, and that's fine.
But the truth is that provided a comfortable status in the U.S social hierarchy were maintained- most would take no issue with returning to a state of pre-overtly-fascist-normalcy. An opportunity to go back to brunch if you will.
I would submit that you and I both can point to many decades in recent U.S history, where Americans that enjoyed a higher standard of living (better wages, cheaper housing, etc) took no issue with means required to produce those ends.
What I've really been getting at, is the tendency of U.S citizens to only act in the interest of themselves when things get uncomfortable. As apposed to taking meaningful action.
Trust also, that I am not making a purely moral argument. What we're speaking about here is very difficult- and I am aware of all that incentivizes the behavior I'm calling out.
Then you should understand that Americans aren't unique in this respect.
Do you think if the average Russian peasant had sufficient treats they would have still overthrown the Tsar?
Of course not because you and I know that the whole point of giving the proles more treats is to prevent revolution. If it didn't work social democracy as a movement would not exist.
Likewise you and I both know that as the treats dry up the proles become more radically-inclined. Americans aren't special in this regard and it's bizarre to act like we're being uniquely selfish when this is literally how it works: treats or revolution.
How willing a people are to overthrow their oppressive government depends entirely on how much they're able to stomach that oppression.
I was initially confused reading this because you're not saying anything I currently or used to disagree with.
My mentioning of the U.S specifically was not to say that the U.S is entirely unique- although, I would claim that we're in a more advantageous position to act in some regard.
You're assuming things about op that can't be gotten from the post. How do you know their lineage? They could be descended from any number of people who didnt enjoy those spoils either. The only thing is that they're "wealthy" enough to go to college and emmigrate.
Also, exodus of skilled workers has been a weapon employed by the imperialist nations for decades now. From east Berlin to former yugoslavia brain drains have been an active threat. Why can't progressive people act in the same way?
And it's a wierd catch 22, you're not allowed to leave and live in a self sufficient country that doesn't rely on mass imperialism, but also if they live in the imperial core they're morally responsible for the system they were born into.
Though most likely applicable, my statement is more general- nothing against OP.