'...and we can even find YOU, anytime we want to."
That's actually insane to advertise that Gestapo feature. I'm literally shocked - which happens (unfortunately) rarely these days. There is so much shit going on in this world
Omfg I just watched this elsewhere. Also it's free. How kind of them.
I think this is just trying to put a good spin on it before any privacy concerns come up.
No this is fine it'll only be used to find lost puppies I'm sure.
Are there really enough braindead consumers out there to make this viable?
Based on what I've seen, it is so so so much worse than you think.
I honestly don't think the majority of those who see this ad will even consider negative uses of this system.
And if you are thinking 'how can people be that stupid', I will remind you that college professors are having to change their curriculums because many of their students can't read.
So yes, it's the day after the super bowl and I am quite sure the Gestapo cameras are flying off the shelves in the Amazon fulfillment centers.
Yes.
Nextdoor is full of morons sharing their ring videos and then going, "Well my videos aren't being shared online to Amazon because I checked the 'privacy' settings."
Our thought watching this live was to upload photos of your local ICE agents.
Upload?
Say they're your dog, then have it find them
There should be a version where they’re brown and at the end they suddenly get bags put over their heads by Trump’s paramilitary.
What brand do people recommend to switch family members off to? I self host my security but for other family that aren't tech savvy at all which brands are good for privacy and intuitive to use?
Reolink. The cameras record to a SD card and the app connects to the cameras over the local network. The app can connect to the cameras remotely through Reolink’s servers for convenience, but it’s not necessary to use their cloud services. I block mine from the internet in the firewall.
this is precisely my setup too.
Wife can even get to them when she's out because she has tailscale connecting her phone to the home network via my headscale control node, not that she could tell you that
suggest a peep hole and a door knocker, don't over comolicate shit, and have a little faith in other people
I was with you until the last part
Which mass surveillance fear product?
There isn't one.
And if I upload a photo of a brown-skinned person?
I hate it so much that these dystopian devices are all advertised as a positive thing and, worst of all, that there are millions of dumbasses going "well that sounds like a great idea!"
It's ads like this that make people think it's really great, without ever considering the surveillance aspect. Probably some people who now want to get Ring cameras, just so they can help track down lost dogs. Instead, it will be used to hunt down escaping humans.
Ew wtf
Are you aware you posted thrice?
It takes more than one post to describe how fucked this is
it makes you wonder what the world would be like if people had this reaction to smartphones from the beginning.
Ew wtf
Ew wtf
Ew wtf
“they who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin
Yes I know the issues with the founding father narrative. However, I think that this quote is very true and applies to the situation we are currently facing.
anyone who objects to mass surveillance obviously hates puppies
You got me, but actually I mostly want the christian families and their children to be sad

fuck those snitch ass doorbells
Ew wtf
Ew wtf
Phew we don't have ring here, at least not everywhere
I wonder how hard it would be to rework this advertisements to be what it's actually used for:
- Immigrants spotted! Administrative warrant issued, ICE deployed!
- Automatic License Plate Recognition with Flock (now a partner), found a "criminal". Administrative warrant issued, ICE deployed!
- etc.
The next step they'll take is hooking into the amber alert system to find missing kids. Then, it will be finding "criminals," which applies to basically everyone thanks to NPSM-7.
The "If I've got nothing to hide, why should I care" argument has predictably aged like sour milk.
Ted Kazcynski had somewhat of a point - I say somewhat because he was a leftist hater and I think a bit off the rails. Technology is already way out of control, I don't think most people understand that if there were to be a socialist revolution in a 1st world country any time soon, just how much of an advantage the state has over the people due to it's surveillance network. Privacy for all intents and purposes is practically gone already if you're of interest to the intelligence agencies and around anything with a connection and/or even just standing outside thanks to satellite imagery. And that is just the technology which we know of, it's horrifying to think about the possibility of tech that remains classified.
I agree with your main point, but I do want to criticize
I think he was a bit off the rails and a leftist hater.
This is an understatement. He was an ecofascist in all except name. In Industrial Society and Its Future, his critiques of the right basically boil down to "they're bad at optics" and his critiques of the left basically boil down to "they care about animals, [slurs], and women." He was the archetype of "claim to be centrist because I know how unpopular my actual opinions are."
That being said, I also want to shed light on a little glimmer of hope hidden inside the surveillance state:
if there were to be a socialist revolution in a 1st world country any time soon, just how much of an advantage the state has over the people due to it’s surveillance network.
A few counterpoints to this:
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A point I learned from a movie of all places, no less poignant that it was a movie about resisting the surveillance state (Enemy of the State): one of the primary principles of Guerilla Warfare is to use your opponents biggest strength and turn it into their weakness. This leads me into my next point:
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There is way too much data. A major part of the push for AI is because it can emulate human decision making while parsing orders of magnitude more data. Trying to find a person in Petabytes worth of video and imagery and metadata is like finding a needle in a hay-planet. Sure, they may have all that surveillance, but most of the signal gets lost in the billions of times more noise.
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The government is not a monolith. The 50-agencies-in-a-trench-coat may try to pass themselves off as a unified entity, but when push comes to shove, they're a bunch of organizations that all have their own agenda, and each organization is just a bunch of people that all have their own agenda. Push hard enough, and you'll start to see the cracks form. Talk to any government employee and you'll soon realize their org is just as susceptible to all the internal bullshit squabbles that any private company is.
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Piggybacking off of 2 and 3: they need manpower that they don't have. When we talk about "the state" or "the government," we can lose sight of the fact that these organizations aren't composed of countless, faceless people. Instead of 10% of all civilians, it's less than 1%. This number may still be huge compared to the size of local leftist org chapters and lemmy communities, but it's only like 1.3% of the working class.
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Combining 3 and 4: the large majority of those government employees are also part of the proletariat. Their loyalty to the government only extends as far as their paycheck, and if any kind of class revolution were to kick into full swing, there would be a mass exodus of labor. There would also be hundreds of thousands of workers who are sympathetic to the cause on the inside, throwing wrenches in all kinds of cogs.
So yes, things are pretty bleak with the state of privacy in this day and age. No, there is no magical solution where an authoritarian government just willfully cedes its power to control its populace. No, there won't be any way to altogether avoid revolutionaries being incarcerated or worse. No, it won't fix itself, nor will somebody else take the reigns while we can comfortably be bystanders.
But it's not already a lost cause.
Great post, i want to scream when i see the smash the state type people portraying that very state as some all powerful perfect omnipitent machine
Such a beautiful reply, I wish I was as educated with my research & analysis as well as so articulate with my points as you are - instead of my typical half-assed rambling lol. Thank you and sorry for being overly pessimistic!
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