Locking this thread. Too much pointless fighting happening and reports going out.
I just want to add to the discussion that I think it's perfectly healthy if two instances don't like each other and/or have different outlooks - it's the beauty of the fediverse and having decentralisation that they don't have to agree on everything.
It's very entertaining too
Visit ML before any major Western election and browse by Local (its default) and you will easily see: ML calls for the literal and actual fall of all Western civilization including the deaths of most to nearly all peoples therein.
Whereas LW does not want that, go figure. 🤷♀️
Something something bOtH sIdEs SaMe.
.ml users are also just immature weirdos. most of my harassing comments calling me insults come from .ml users.
they don't discuss and they don't read. they just shout and quote russian/chinese state propaganda about how people living in those countries are so wealthy and liberated and so much better than americans or europeans. and if you do cite sources, they tell you that those are american propaganda and all lies and ONLY THE CHINESE GOVERNMENT IS TELLING THE TRUTH.
oh, and the .ml opening talk about the power of violence and their violent fantasies of killing everyone who has a modicum of economic security and all claim to be the poorest of the poor, which I highly doubt.
I was a communist when I was 15, but even back then I was into the utopia part, not the mass murder fantasy part.
Actual communists here are on Threadiverse seem quite emotionally capable and are among the more pleasant to chat with. Examples there include slrpnk.net. I used to also say db0 though there always seems pushback nowadays whenever I include it, but I can't get anyone to give me a solid answer as to why besides unsubstantiated accusations that even on their face looks like pure BS to me. So I guess I'll keep saying it, just noting that it is a controversial point.:-)
Hexbears on the other hand are trolls, pure and simple, with zero regard for anything other than "the dunk" process of pwning someone - or rather, appearing to, from their own extremely childish POV.
Lemmy.ml and lemmygrad.ml then are the leftist MAGAs, believing in alternative facts rather than living in reality. e.g. most claim that they would move to the likes of North Korea in a heartbeat, except, you know... I guess they took an arrow to the knee or some such. 🤪
I am so glad that I can block people from an entire instance. If I could, I would make an exception to the devs Nutomic and Dessalines out of respect for having offered the Lemmy sourcecode as FOSS, but other than that, I have not missed a single interaction with anyone on Lemmy.ml since I have done so, every time I've checked to see what I might be missing. They are the most batshit insane comments across the entirety of the Threadiverse, after Hexbear obviously.
The stereotype is that Lemmy.ml wants to play with Stalin's balls. Lemmy.world wants to play with, I don't know, Obama's balls? With Bernie, Bill Clinton, and Reagan watching from the corner?
Something like that, anyway.
World is after ML for being Stalinists and ML is after World for not being Stalinists hah
Obviously this is my opinion based off observations I've made, and not every user or sub in each instance falls under this generalization.
Both instances have a lot of users, and they have ideological differences, so they inevitably butt heads. Depending on who you ask, ML mainly has socialists, communists, or tankies. World seems to be more centrist leaning to the left, but it seems to be accepting of a more varied range of political opinions. Considering a lot of Lemmy users came from Reddit, I think a comparison can be drawn. My opinion is that World users have an ideology similar to most of Reddit and seem more likely to have left Reddit because they took issue with specific Reddit admin policies. On the other hand, ML users would have had an ideology that was more fringe for Reddit, and while they may have had issues with Reddit admins as well, they seem more likely to have left Reddit because their views were not well accepted among Reddit's general population.
ML is run by people who are not only communist, but also communists can do no wrong, capitalists can do no right. Just being communist most of us could live with, but the second is a problem. When someone cannot agree things like genocides that various communist governments are a bad it is really hard to have productive conversations.
~~communists~~ Tankies.
yes. the openly call for murder, theft, and various form of violence against their 'enemies'.
and if you suggest maybe that's not such a great idea, they basically tell you that you should die too.
My only issue with .ml that it’s pretty much lemmygrad.ml and hexbear.net in disguise. They are simply not being honest about who the instance is for.
Don’t misunderstand. I don’t have anything against any of them, but they should really just be honest who lemmy.ml is for. Just like lemmygrad.ml and hexbear.net is.
Lemmygrad.ml first rule is: No capitalist apologia / anti-communism.
This is pretty much a hidden rule on Lemmy.ml.
I remember a long time ago when Nutomic was hosting peertube.social. There, the rules was very honest and you knew what you signed up for in the instance. So why not just do that now as well?
Hint: look at Dessalines modlog
I don't actually disagree with making it clear that Lemmy.ml is communist-friendly.
Long-standing political differences and an extremely censorious moderation philosophy on Lemmy.ml means there is always tension. I'm not aware of any specific thing that has happened recently though.
there was a big post yesterday about 'rent is theft' that had 100s of comments, that was mostly .world vs .ml users.
the .ml users basically harassed and threatened the .world users who were talking about reasonable reforms on housing prices and the causes for housing price inflation. .ml users think if you talk about facts and reality you are part of the problem and that reality should be re-made such that private property no longer exists and every single person should leave in the same concrete housing blocks like they had in the USSR, or they should be shot.
.world is full of apologists and denialists for western imperialism
.ml is full of tankies who think that ALL Americans are fascists (even those of us currently being terrorized by fascists).
FSM help you if you ever try to inject sanity into one of their "debates"
ML is run by heavily-indoctrinated communists. They're the type that straight up worship communist leaders.
lemmy.world is kind of run by pussies. They blocked the piracy sublemmy for no real reason other than that.
It doesn't surprise me they are butting heads. Hopefully the instances that allow interaction with both instances triumph over those that try to restrict access.
They're the type that straight up worship communist leaders.
I wouldn't phrase it at that. They're fans of Russia, China, Iran, and pretty much any other country that's antagonistic to the US. This regardless of whether said state is communist, especially Russia, which has become fascist under Putin's rule.
In short, the .ml owners are tankies
Liberals and communists hate each other, that's pretty much it
anticommunism, basically.
Just my own personal experience but by far most of the worst experiences I have on here come from .world users. Though to be fair bunch of them did move to piefed.
Can be wrong about it, but a noticeable percentage of Lemmy.ml comunities and users are totally normal. The real issue is in a few admins and mods that flood the instance with delusional pro-Russian propaganda, love to USSR, Lenin and etc. And strictly removing anyone who is against it. Thus leaving on instance only people that support this propaganda and the ones who don't protest against it. This creates a concentrated userbase with ideology and mindset unacceptable for a huge part of Lemmy.world userbase.
So, in conclusion, battle between Lemmy.ml and Lemmy.world is mostly because of politics and ideologies.
There's another side to this. I'm originally from Hexbear and only started checking out what the experience of someone on an instance that isn't massively defederated looks like. Lemmy.ml's meme comms are full of tankie ragebait, but then there's multiple .world communities that are the same, but they're liberal ragebait. The difference is that .world's ideology is hegemonic while .ml's is fringe. But to someone who isn't a liberal, looking at a Lemmy front page when .world is on that front page also has a lot of propagandistic content with little news or entertainment value; you probably just don't realize it.
Documentation of the admins authoritarianism and censorship
Some highlights from the link:
"If you don't support Russia then you just don't understand geopolitics" ~dessalines, main .ml admin, head dev https://lemmy.world/post/27352415
"See! nobody died IN Tiananmen Square, just AROUND it, so it doesn't count!!" ~ Davel, .ml admin https://lemmy.world/post/30673342
"NK is actually good and anything counter to that is Western propaganda!" ~dessalines, main .ml admin, head dev https://lemmy.world/post/31595035
Showing support for Ukraine on .ml is worthy of a site ban - dessalines, main .ml admin, head dev https://lemmy.world/post/32775563
Nutomics continued transphobia https://lemmy.world/post/29222558
I block ml users on sight so I didn’t even notice
I dunno man. I just signed up as reddit imploded. I wasn't thinking political ideology. I just needed a refuge. I'm happy, and grateful for my adopted home.
Tbh I blocked all ml posts from my all feed and started blocking ml users on sight for my own mental health
I get in almost zero arguments online now and actually enjoy using this platform
Sorry about the block. It’s not you, it’s your instance.
The Lemmy devs run .ml, and were/are part of a community revolving around the contrarian idea that anti-Western dictatorships are actually the good guys and all working together (somehow, despite visibly hating each other a lot of the time).
The basic idea was always going to push some users to other instances, and then the adherents acting like conspiracy theorists often do pushed away a lot more. Some of the most aggressive instances are outright blocked by .world, IIRC.
I signed up for the developer's instance because fuck reddit, and I do dev work.
Server choice had nothing to do with any political shit. I barely knew what federation was at the time. Lemmy immediately proved there are as many bandwagoning idiots as reddit here.
I have nothing to say about world though, I don't use the platform that much.
I originally did this and ended up having to remake my account on .world. I just couldn't stand the negativity and constant fighting on .ml. I was able to find a non-ml alternative to every community I was subscribed to. YMMV but it was completely worth it for me
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