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[-] Digit@lemmy.wtf 2 points 5 hours ago

I willingly paid (iirc) more than that, for a pro copy of suse, and a fsf membership.

Have since paid more for free software than I ever did for proprietary.

It's the freedom.

Worth investing in.

For each and all, (self included).

I gave the money freely.

[-] paequ2@lemmy.today 5 points 1 day ago

Macroslop Wangblows: pay $139 for OS, get locked in, don't learn anything, get abused, get exploited

Gigachad Linux: invest time, become smarter, become more independent, help fight enshittification, help your country's tech Independence, help the OS get better, help distribute real improvements to other users, etc

[-] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

If something is free, then you're either the product, or the beta tester. But since paid software is getting worse and worse, being the beta tester is a good alternative.

And somehow in Windows they managed to make people pay for it and be the product.

[-] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago

All while technically selling alpha versions...

[-] sobchak@programming.dev 6 points 1 day ago

In the case of Linux, especially the ones without a business built around them (e.g. Debian), they're more like mutual aid. They're not looking to sell it or exfiltrate your data in the future, after the "beta."

[-] elucubra@sopuli.xyz 5 points 1 day ago

Microsoft has historically shipped Alpha versions, followed by Betas, in paid software.

[-] orenj@lemmy.sdf.org 37 points 3 days ago

GOD can you imagine paying 140 dollars for an ai generated OS with ads? could never be me

[-] NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world 32 points 3 days ago

Not only free, but private and secure. Won’t even spy on you, and if it tries you can just tell it no and it listens!

Fuck, I love Linux.

[-] abbadon420@sh.itjust.works 70 points 3 days ago

It's a trap. Once you accept linux, you will become a linux person. At every technical issue your friends and family encounter, you'll say stuff like "have you tried switching to linux?"

[-] The_Picard_Maneuver@piefed.world 57 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

It's too late...

[-] ragas@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 days ago

I always say: Its Windows, I have no clue how that might work.

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[-] GreenBeanMachine@lemmy.world 16 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

The cost is the time you will spend learning how to use it and debug issues (mostly copying and pasting strange commands from strangers on old forum posts)

[-] presoak@lazysoci.al 5 points 2 days ago

I haven't actually needed to do much of that. Very little actually. And when I did it was just a trivial copy-paste

[-] how_we_burned@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 days ago

What shits me with Linux commands is they don't make sense.

Copy, diskpart, dir and so on make sense.

But Linux. Bah.

Cp, lsblk (sudo fdisk -l) and ls.

I know it's an a old dog thing but having used dos and windows command line for over 50 years it just makes me so frustrated to see Linux commands and their switches, syntax and parameters so obtusely obscure, purposeful, unnecessarily filled with complex jargon.

I write sql and python so I'm not unused to this sort of world but everytime I use Linux I find the command line, the supposedly masterful feature of the OS, just painfully, unnecessarily, poorly designed.

copying and pasting strange commands from strangers on old forum posts)

Yes exactly the only way to obtain the help is via weird forums where you waste hours reading posts from people trying to do basic shit. Half the time it's for the wrong distro, version or whatever bullshit problem you've got.

Like godforbid you want to mount a drive that won't mount in the GUI version of whatever kernal distro ver you end up getting.

You end up writing ridiculously long commands to do shit I can do in a handful of words that make sense in plain English.

Just shits me that MS is hellbent on enshitificating windows, forcing us to find alt.

What choice do we have anymore

[-] jj4211@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I mean, diskpart and dir don't make especially any more sense than lsblk/parted and ls. A fair point can be made for 'copy' being more intuitive, but 'diskpart' means you had to learn what disks and partitioning were, and lsblk means you need to learn what 'block' devices rae, and of course 'parted' references partitions. 'dir' means you wanted to 'show the directory' which means you had to learn of it as a directory, but then learn that the shortname of directory is the way to see the contents of a directory. ls means you learned you want to 'list' contents and that unix had this laziness of just the first and third letters of a word. Both involve learning, neither is 'intuitive'.

You end up writing ridiculously long commands

I assume this is the likes of dbus-send and crap, and I agree with you if that's the case. Dbus is a complication I could do without and have to confess that powershell cmdlets generally do a better job of instrumenting the system than a system that increasingly has no specific help and only long dbus-send commands to tackle certain things. dconf has issues too, but I think does a better job than the Windows registry at analagous function.

[-] hoppolito@mander.xyz 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Though I personally have the feeling in exactly the opposite way, having used unix-likes for most of my adult life, I won't argue with you on the principle of the idea (for obtuse syntax e.g. dd the disk destroyer or the infamous tar command come to mind).

At the same time… I really don't think you chose your examples super well here.

cp and it's mv companion don't seem more 'obtuse' than copy written out in your example.

ls following the same two-letter logic for 'list' also does not seem out-of-this-world crazy syntax. In fact, I always wondered more about dir to list things, especially in a world where the things it lists are technically called folders not directories.

This same logic once again extends to lsblk to 'list' what? 'block devices' which describes all sorts of storage media in unix-land. Sure, it's different, but in these specific examples I definitely don't see an objective better/worse option. I mean, similar examples for obtuseness could be made e.g. for why the primary drive starts with a C: on windows, or why we have magical drive letters at the beginning at all if you come from the opposite paradigm.

And lastly your disk example is equally written as fdisk --list which once again just describes its own operation.

Dunno, I think both systems have their idiosyncrasies which you just find weird if you're used to the other.

I understand your issue with the terminal. I think that it could be fixed with Oh-my-zsh for a personal computer. I have mine setup so I don't have to remember the entire command, just the first letter and it shows me all matches. I was proficient with both batch and powershell, but bash scripting is even easier.

Yeah, I had given up Linux for over a decade, but Windows 11 has brought it back out... And tbh I like it better as an adult. Now I run Windows in a docker container only.

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[-] PissingIntoTheWind@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

I did pay 10$ for a windows 11 key.

[-] bratorange@feddit.org 9 points 2 days ago

Man I’m at the point where I would like to pay for a Linux distribution(ofc. under the assumption that source remains open) if that meant that someone was responsible for stuff working reliable. I hate my headphones not connecting via Bluetooth. I would like a consumer ready distribution and don’t want fiddle around with problems potentially everybody has to solve. Why do there have to 10000+ different package managers with 10000 different incomplete package sources?

I'm no expert, but I believe there are some distros with paid support (intended for corporate clients).

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[-] Fedizen@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

Ubuntu and fedora both have that I think

[-] BCsven@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 days ago

There are paid subscriptions with support. You could also test out other distros, the currated nature of some distros means a problem in one doesn't show up in another.

I.e. My wife's laptop is a samsung from 2010. Debian derivatives won't run because of a bios bug that halts the system, or even halts install. Fedora or SUSE run fine, it shows the bug and works around it.

[-] Kolanaki@pawb.social 4 points 2 days ago

Don't tempt me, Picard Maneuver! I dare not take it, not even to keep it safe. Understand, sir, I would use this OS from a desire to do good, but through me, it would wield a power too great and terrible to imagine. I should have power too great and terrible, and over me the OS would gain a power still greater and more deadly.

Counterpoint:

[-] Friendlybirdseggs@sopuli.xyz 24 points 3 days ago

A gif? On lemmy? How queer

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[-] abbiistabbii@piefed.blahaj.zone 24 points 3 days ago

Instead of an end user you shall have an ADMIN! NOT BEHOLDEN TO MICROSOFT BUT BEAUTIFUL AND TERRIBLE AS THE DAWN! POWERFUL AS THE SEA! ALL PROGRAMS WILL WORK FOR ME AND DESPAIR!

[-] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 11 points 3 days ago

Gotta love a free product that also does not suck.

[-] teft@piefed.social 16 points 3 days ago

I asked her for one desktop environment from her golden head. She gave me a handful.

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[-] bassow@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

Linux is like the Star Citizen of operating systems: There are people who see the potential and trust things will be fixed. And there's the people who have been around for a while.

[-] eskimofry@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

you ignore tonnes of happy users whose app ecosystems worked day-1 on linux at parity or even better than windows.

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