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science killed the radio star (thelemmy.club)
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[-] ALoafOfBread@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

He didn't even reveal it (maybe), according to mythology.

  1. omnipotent and omnipresent (and omni-benevolent?) God

  2. created angels, without free will, to do his bidding - for... reasons? (He didn't need them to bc of the whole omnipotent thing, but maybe he just likes their vibe.)

  3. God decides to fuck with Abraham in a bunch of terrible ways for essentially no reason. This culminates in god ordering him to sacrifice his son Isaac.

  4. Abraham complies, binds Isaac like a sacrificial animal, and draws his knife to attempt to kill Isaac after begging and pleading with god to not make him do this.

  5. an angel (who doesn't have free will, mind you) was watching and called out to stop Abraham.

  6. Abraham decides that since angels are messengers of god, he doesn't have to kill Isaac. He finds a ram and kills it instead.

So either:

  1. God, omnipotent and knowing the contents of Abraham's heart, unnecessarily ordered him to murder his kid - knowing he would do so and planning to intervene using an angel. In which case he is omnipotent and unnecessarily cruel.

  2. God, omnipotent and knowing the contents of Abraham's heart, unnecessarily ordered him to murder his kid - knowing he would do so and the angel intervened without god being able to stop the angel. So angels have free will and/or god can't control them (is not omnipotent) and god is unnecessarily cruel.

  3. God, NOT omnipotent and therefore ignorant to the contents of Abraham's heart, necessarily ordered him to murder his kid to test his faith, and was either stopped by an angel or stopped abraham using the angel.

[-] fartographer@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

Orrrrrr.... Abraham needed mental help and therapy, which the community should have noticed when he cut off the tip of his dick and DARVO'd his son before torturing wildlife. Instead, when he said "God made me do it, and an angel stopped me," the ancient orphan-crushing machine turned it into "1 like=1 prayer."

[-] ALoafOfBread@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 week ago

The community was 100% into the dick cutting though. And the animal torturing. Therapists probably would recommend even more dick cutting and animal torturing

[-] fartographer@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

"Therapists warned him, but when he showed them his dick, doctors were ASTONISHED! Make your dick bleed with this WEIRD trick!"

[-] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

It is unfathomable to me that (a) there are millions of people who think this nonsense really happened, and (b) even upon examination think it's a blueprint for how to live a good life. Indoctrination is a hell of a drug.

[-] IronBird@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

i find it especially funny when these cults forcibly baptise kids, then come back in a decade or 2 saying "hey bro, that first one might not have took".

[-] Bigfishbest@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

God wants to make sure that the Hebrews will never commit human sacrifice. Cruel to Abraham and Isac, pretty neat for all the people who avoided being sacrificed as a result. Or maybe just the Hebrews want to avoid human sacrifice and they tell that story to sink the point home: their own ancestor could have been killed, let's not do that to anyone.

[-] ALoafOfBread@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Oh for sure. But just looking at it at face value, it brings up some weird questions about the metaphysics involved.

Considering the omnipotence factor, he could've just let them know not to sacrifice people some other way, too.

Of course it's just a myth meant to instruct people in virtues (piety, obedience, not sacrificing people) but there are a great many folks who view the bible as literally true and for whom this line of argumentation would pose some issues.

[-] Kanda@reddthat.com 1 points 1 week ago

I think god just telling Abraham would be like telling people not to vote for Trump. You know you're right, they know you're right, but they do it anyway.

I think he tries this with Moses later and then people don't do what they're told.

[-] Bigfishbest@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Christianity literally said "love thy neighbor, do unto others, love thy enemy", and still its followers have fought wars and murdered people. I seem to remember that the Quran says "if you kill one person you kill the whole world". That passage apparently is not as prioritized as others. I could go on.

God / The ancient israelites knew that telling people doesn't quite do it. Ref the 10 commandments. People only seem to learn from lived experience, and in some cases, the lived experience of people they respect. Hence the story is Isaac is actually a lot smarter than we give it credit for.

That's my take at least

[-] TheLeadenSea@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 week ago

The value is shows me is that you should do whatever god tells you, even human sacrifice - not to not do human sacrifice. I think you may be looking at it too optimistically lol

[-] ALoafOfBread@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 week ago

I mean, in a world with a god like that, the only rational course of action would be to do what they say. The concept of truly infinite suffering makes that the only rational choice.

That's why piety is a virtue for Christians, first and foremost. Being a "good person" by their metrics is a byproduct of obeying god since god determines what is good.

[-] CXORA@aussie.zone 1 points 1 week ago

The moral of the story wasn't "human sacrifice is bad". The moral of the story is "if god tells you to kill your son, you better fucking do it.

See also, jesus, the very famous human sacrifice that is celebrated to this day.

[-] ThunderclapSasquatch@startrek.website 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)
  1. God did it to teach Abraham the contents of his own heart. Still dickish as hell
[-] ZigZagZebra@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

there's a paradox of omniscience worth considering. Omniscience would involve knowledge of all phenomena everywhere at all times. So the unspeakable God would be the center spoke of an infinite multiverse where every thing happens everywhere all at once. That would require the knowledge of an embodied universe where Abraham kills Isaac and also knowledge of an embodied universe where Abraham isn't the protagonist, etc., for all paremeters within defined universe ad infinatum...

[-] chemical_cutthroat@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

Today's guest, we have Jesus on why he overturned the old testament but it's still chill to follow those rules when you feel like it.

[-] mrfriki@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

So the top 10 are the commandments then?

[-] morto@piefed.social 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I thought god's radio was AM. Who am I listening to, then?

[-] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

"this is Click and Clack at Car Talk"

[-] semitones@tiny.tilde.website 2 points 1 week ago

@HeyThisIsntTheYMCA @morto coming to you, live, from the God Star at Car Talk Plaza.

[-] _druid@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 week ago

Brb, gunna multiply god's own frequency and use it for semi-active missile guidance.

[-] SanctimoniousApe@lemmings.world 2 points 1 week ago

What's that, God? I couldn't hear you over the sound of the gun as I killed in your name.

[-] massive_bereavement@fedia.io 1 points 1 week ago

I wonder what his morning show is like?

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