It's been my experience that F-150 owners are arrogant, southern-fried buttholes, but anyone who owns a Cybertruck is probably worse, just by merit of being associated with Elon Musk.
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Lots of people drive Tesla, I’m not gonna judge them for Musk.
But if this turns into another oversized seppo tank on our roads I’ll blame them for buying it.
I am going to judge a lot of them for driving like assholes. There's a reason people call them Tasshole.
At least where I live Tesla is a good option for overpaid office guys, the guys that used to drive a BMW or Audi. Lots of Tesla drivers that are impatient, aggressive and just annoying on the road.
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I drive a Tesla and Elon can suck Dick, but the actual people that make the car have done a good job for what I've gotten.
Don't know much about the truck though really
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I drive a Tesla. my excuse is, I bought before he went full fascist. I don't think I'll buy another one.
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heh, southern-friend buttholes. I'm using that from now on.
Because "real work" trucks have 4 doors and a short bed, right?
I've not seen somebody driving a ford truck made in the last decade that was doing "Real" work. this includes construction contractors. most the working trucks are Chevies or Toyos. though I'm also seeing an increasing number of Nissan (the NV's)
I have. A lot of pickup trucks, for example, are built out of F450s. Old F450s.
The F-150 line is almost entirely vanity vehicles, though, and I have never seen a Lightning on the road but am sure I do not exclude it from my judgment.
The Lightnings actually have a reasonable use case as short range delivery fleet trucks. They're not going to go very far but they will move materials across town super cheaply and relatively eco-friendly - provided you have the startup capital to buy a fleet of Lightnings and the charger hookups.
I would not buy one as a consumer daily driver though.
You could buy a delivery van for considerably less money and it is significantly more practical.
The transits are a much better platform/form factor for that use case, and probably would have been easier to modify into an EV.
The current iteration has too many compromises as a “consumer” vehicle while still pandering to the idea of being a working truck. A “man’s truck”, if you will. Let’s be honest here, they’re not advertising it to companies. They’re advertising it to men- the kind of men that need to remind the world that they’re men. kind of like how they used to pitch SUVs, at least until suvs became the go-to family car,
They're already doing an electric Transit in Europe. For most work related use cases it's an altogether better vehicle.
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They are REALLY big and heavy for a short-range delivery vehicle.
Very much hoping someone like Pickman or AYRO is successful enough to eat up that entire market at a third the price.
I penciled out a business plan to use the lightning to run pallets and recyclable materials from several businesses to a nearby recycler, as a side gig. If the truck weren't so dang expensive it would work. I could even run a small commercial cardboard baler off the truck.
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The only time I've seen it was when it was a company-issued truck lol
If I could get a new electric truck for less than $60,000 I'd use it though, because I get free charging and I could use the truck to make enough money to cover half of the payments. Just my personal situation.
"I need a pickup truck to get groceries for my family of three." /s 🤣
Yeah, lots pull utility trailers.
I call 'em "Emotional Support Vehicles".
Real trucks do have a full cabin my dude. Landscape/Hardscape crews prefer to take few vehicles onsite. Although we always get the normal bed size. Short bed is useless to everybody.
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“‘I’ make trucks”
Yeah, sure lmao
He's not really wrong. A Ford pickup can be beat to hell, and u can source just about any part on the truck within a 20 minute drive. When your pay relies on your transportation and hauling, time is money. A truck made of a giant piece of sheetmetal and something that needs to go back to Tesla for any issue won't cut it.
I sure hope any of these inexpensive minitruck brands, especially all-electric ones, crack into the US market at some point.
Such ridiculousness, the arms race of ever-bigger "light" trucks that have double cabs and short beds. I cannot understand why any tradie would get a pickup over a van with a roof rack.
They're basically tall El Caminos at this point.
I hate how normal large vehicles like trucks and SUVs have become here in the US. Especially because 90% of people who buy them don't actually need them. I see so many big stupid vehicles all over the place with a single person just going to the grocery store.
Why would anyone in their right mind load up the whole family on the way to the grocery?
Should everyone with a large family also have a small car to get groceries?
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Yeah I mean 90% of the time, you’re not doing that. Because no shit.
So don't buy a truck? Admit it, it's just compensating for your insecurities. You do not need a truck. Just rent one for the 2 times a year you might maybe need one, then you can stop driving up prices for people who actually need one.
I'm really annoyed that status seekers like you are providing such an overwhelming market incentive that Ford doesn't even have a 2-door electric truck on the market. They're all 4-door because it's 99% familes who want an SUV, but more manly looking.
then you can stop driving up prices for people who actually need one.
Yeah that's not really how that works LOL. I'm all for people not driving trucks, but if they stopped, that would make them MORE expensive. It's simple economies of scale. The more they make, the less each individual unit costs.
People who don't need trucks but want them anyway are the main force driving what types of trucks go to market. If it weren't for that performative nonsense, automakers would go back to their primary market: practical work vehicles, without all the family suv bells and whistles. Therefore, cheaper.
All trucks are not built the same, that's my point. I want a truck that's a truck, not a minivan masquerading as a truck.
I hate Tesla now but that is a shit comment. It’s like when people say “real America” is in the farm as if people in cities - where most Americans live - are worthless.
From the MKBHD review of the F-150 Lightning that I saw, Chris Farley's cousin may be right. The F-150 Lightning seems designed to act as a giant mobile battery to power a tradesman's tools while on the job and seems overall designed to support a Contractor on the job. Nothing has been reported of the Cybertruck where it can do the same.
The Cybertruck looks and feels like a status symbol.
Status: dick.
There's some pretty good evidence that while a very small fraction of blue collar jobs are worthless, a much higher fraction of white collar jobs are in fact worthless.
https://tedbauer.medium.com/a-lot-of-knowledge-work-is-just-performative-nonsense-e71a154977d3
https://www.vox.com/money/23733244/bullshit-jobs-work-employment-lazy-jobless-employed-nothing-to-do
It's crazy that I live in a world where I'm rooting for Ford, of all things.
The Ford Maverick is actually a step in the right direction though. It's got a bed and it's relatively affordable. A lot of small contractors don't need giant jacked up V8s.
I like the F150 but when the Ford CEO says "I make trucks for real people who do real work," as a "non-real" person who "doesn't do real work as I don't need a truck", well, he can fuck right off. What an asshole.
I think the point still stands: people who buy trucks want to believe they can do real work, kind of like the fantasy of an SUV as a rugged vehicle even though their buyers typically treat them like street cars.
Or people who buy "sports" cars and then end up sitting in traffic 90% of the time. I've never understood most car buyers.
Do you need a truck? No? Don't buy a truck. It's that easy.
Well, you're right, that guy is an asshole. But he also makes a point, namely that there is no person in the world with a reason to purchase a Cybertruck other than just to jerk off Elongated Muskrat a bit more. It doesn't do anything practical. Even someone with an F150 or a Ram 2500, while yes they do generally own a parking lot princess, it can do truck stuff in a pinch. It has a bed and a tailgate and it can haul a trailer. Cybertruck can maybe haul a trailer but it isn't going to do anything else practical that a Ford won't. You'll never catch a contractor driving a Cybertruck. You will find them driving an F150.
Point is, he's not saying you aren't real, he's saying the hypothetical person that has a valid use case for a Cybertruck isn't real. If someone is going out to buy a truck to perform work they aren't looking at Tesla.
I still can't believe they're trying to make this fucking abomination Elon shit out in 2 seconds in Blender after he couldn't open Solidworks.
Very few newer full size trucks ever get used for "real" work..... Because they're so freaking expensive. Sure, some do, but that would be the big contractors who have a fleet of work trucks and so on. Regular guys will beat on the 15 year old stuff. Because they can afford to fix it if they have to.
And for people who do no work but want to waste space in your local city
The class acts park on sidewalks and cross walks.
Wow, didn’t know the ceo is making all those trucks by himself!
If we're being real, neither truck is for people who do real work.
When it's 40 below out and your truck needs to go all day because you're at a work site and it's the only place to warm up in between getting some critical piece of equipment back up and running, a battery that's so dead it needs a 600V charger for a few hours just to get home isn't going to cut it.
Letting your car run out of battery charge is just as stupid as letting it run out of gas. It's not the car's fault.
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If it's 40 below out, the vast majority of outside workers should be not working. The vast majority of work that could use a truck is work that isn't going to frequently (or ever) encounter that kind of temperature range. A 600V DCFC is going to charge either of those trucks quickly in the majority of scenarios.
Most truck owners aren't people doing "truck work" anyway, though. They own a truck as a public facing part of their personality. It's virtue signalling.
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This past winter, there was a crew building an attraction on the river for the winter festival in Winnipeg. They had a Ford Lightning there. They were using it as a warm-up hut, for charging up their tools and hauling crap around. Temps were in the -20C to -30C range. They were out there for days. Seemed to work just fine.
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Ford Trucks are for "real people who do real work"
Most popular car in America is the F-150 and mostly used to carry three grocery bags at most
Classic Ford.
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