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[–] 228 points 7 months ago (1 child)

I like how Visa/Master Card are shutting "indecent" games down, but have no fucking issues with twitter generating CSAM.

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  • [–] 69 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    Here in Czechia you can pay for online transactions with instant direct bank transfer, so cards are not really needed. This is often used for direct transfers between individuals where one generates a QR code on his phone and the other scans it.

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  • [–] 10 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    in Poland we have something similar! we have BLIK and it generates a code for you that the other person taps into their terminal/you tap into an online purchase window, then it tells you to confirm again in the app and there you go, paid

    there's also BLIK phone transfers, you just need the other person's phone number and (provided they have their bank linked to their phone number ofc) you can send money to their account that way

    i haven't paid attention to it recently but when this was being introduced they also added a cheeky "this transaction only took you 30s ;)" at the end lol

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    [–] 52 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    I live in a country where it has become in a sense illegal not to be listed at an address. If you are not listed at an address, the government flags you as a missing person. If that happens, the banks lock you out of government ID, which is necessary to do basically any type of online banking, and if you have any funds behind an electronic ID wall, you won't be able to access them.

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    [–] 48 points 7 months ago (7 children)

    Recently visited a country where cash is very much preferred and it was such a breath of fresh air. I thought it would be annoying to have to keep up with the spare change and what not but it was fine and actually felt pretty good. I've since started using cash a lot more at home.

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  • [–] 20 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    I recently had a trip to Japan and had more mixed opinions about it. Mainly because they have a large variety of coins and oh boy do you end up with a lot of them.

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    [–] 46 points 7 months ago

    Well this means that there is still a payment provider doing the barcode system. This payment provider could still block certain vendors. It works excellently to protect the privacy of the buyer, though.

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  • [–] 39 points 7 months ago (31 children)

    I still don't know why USians don't simply use bank transfers. Uses neither cash nor credit cards, perfectly easy.

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  • [–] 52 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    we have zero say in what payment methods are available to us

    companies and banks decide and we're just their little bitches

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  • [–] 39 points 7 months ago* (1 child)

    Bank transfers here take 3 days typically. And that's business days, so add another one if it's after 4:30 pm, also Saturday, Sunday, and holidays don't count.

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  • [–] 20 points 7 months ago (6 children)

    Because the US still does not have instant, or near instant bank transfers. ACH bank transfers cost money per transaction, on the order of 0.30-0.50 per transaction, and can much higher for larger transactions.

    The US is just incredibly, and uniquely behind when it becomes to accessible payments. This is the reason why "FinTech" such as Cash app, PayPal, and Venmo, in addition to credit cards, are popular - they literally just don't have the infrastructure in place for you to pay back a friend after they pay for a meal.

    Every other developed, and even some developing countries, have had fee free instant payments, for the better half of a decade. The UK/Hong Kong have Faster Payment System (FPS). Europe has SEPA, and most countries mandate that transfers cannot charge fees. Australia has Osko. India has Immediate Payments Service.

    I read horror stories of USians paying rent by writing cheques or mailing cash to avoid bank transfer fees and subsequently stressing out about fraud. This is just insane to everyone else, who just pays via instant bank transfers.

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  • [–] 18 points 7 months ago* (1 child)

    Or, there could just be an instant payment thing that's run by the federal bank. Brazil created Pix, which is essentially an instant payment processor that makes transferring money piss easy, and it works 24/7 regardless of date and the money arrives in less than five seconds. It's managed by the Central Bank too, and every bank that operates in the country is connected to it.

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    [–] 36 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    I wonder where that puritan far right "women's rights" advocacy group is now that Twitter is generating CSAM and non consensual AI generated material, or maybe the purpose was always to punch down on independent artists.

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  • [–] 32 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    We now have the technological means to make online payments better in many ways for both customers and vendors. We just need to move away from one of the biggest American exports, middlemen.

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    [–] 28 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    Visa/MasterCard is a tax in every transaction. You might not see it but it is there.

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    [–] 26 points 7 months ago (6 children)

    I consulted for a luxury brand on e-commerce for a bit and I was surprised how important credit card splitting was to their American business.

    Like, people splitting a purchase across multiple cards because they were so close to the max for each.

    I questioned how much time we were spending on it but they assured me it was a common use case.

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    [–] 24 points 7 months ago* (13 children)

    No. In Sweden, 99% of all payments are cahsless. Most stores don't even take cash anymore.

    We still have plenty of (digital) options for payment in addition to Visa/Mastercard.

    In my view, it's actually the opposite. The more digital paymenst are used, the higher the incentive to create a competing payment solution. Swish and Klarna are taking over more and more here.

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago* (8 children)

    In Canada we have Interac E-transfer for transferring funds from our standard chequing accounts to private businesses or people we're buying things off of. We also have "virtual credit cards" that are just a CC number with an exp date and CVV that we can use for online purchases and that money comes out of our regular back account without the need for a credit account.

    Most people still have and use Credit Cards but we are far less reliant on them here. Most of them time if someone has one it's for the perks that card gives, like cash back on purchases or points for rewards like gift cards, tools, vacations, etc.

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    [–] 23 points 7 months ago

    Wow, I had no idea you could do that in Japan, and the idea never crossed my mind.

    That's a brilliant solution to online payments.

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  • [–] 17 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    There's always money in the banana stand.

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    [–] 15 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    This is still a digital transaction that has to go through a third party. Whoever runs this kind of barcode kiosk system would still wield the exact same kind of power that Mastercard and Visa do.

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  • [–] 14 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    Makes me wonder: how are they not have the same stronghold in Europe? They're also everywhere there as well.

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  • [–] 15 points 7 months ago

    They do, but people also do a lot of bank transfers. Which is essentially a cash payment. But if you don't have a local bank account and app, or the Wise app, then credit cards work just fine most places.

    Albania is the only place I've seen that has zero trust in anything but cash, but that's because their socialist era was so restrictive that after that regime fell, people were wholly unable to understand how basic things like banks or economics works. A single pyramid scheme basically crashed the government in 1996-97. It's a fascinating story about how much learning a society has to do to change from an oppressive regime to something else.

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    [–] 12 points 7 months ago (6 children)

    I nearly universally refuse to use a debit card and use a credit card for everything and then pay it off every month. The system is broken, but this is the best use of the system.

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    [–] 12 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    I wish I could pay in cash for online purchases from Amazon. Amazon has such a privacy nightmare that I cannot even hide or delete my purchase history. I know deleting the history doesn't remove the trait or nullify anything, but the fact that it remains visible on your account is stupid. There are purchases that I dont want anyone looking at my account to know and sometimes I just like clearing it. I don't care for shit I bought back in 2018 anymore.

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