And Russel Brand called the tabloid media out at the time for that. Broken clock and all that...

So did millie bobby brown, there was a whole subreddit created for it.

A part of it as well is this kind of "hedonist" movement is also probably the only answer these people have to capitalist realism. When you cannot imagine the system ever changing, or things ever improving, what else is there to do besides self-indulgence?

Like it's hard to get a gauge on if this is an extreme minority that's just very vocal or if it represents most men, if so then, jesus.

Not so long ago it was common for men in their 20s to 40s to marry ~15 years old girls in western societies and it isn't much different in other parts of the world. It wouldn't be surprising if a considerable portion of men today still find teenage girls attractive. Many see women "at their prime" when they are around 18 and >25 is already old.

Spend enough time around all-men groups and you'll hear them saying the most heinous shit about women. It's like their brains paused their development at their adolescence when it comes to sexuality. Of course "not all men", etc. but when they get involved in a group that encourages this behavior most choose to go along with it. I've heard enough distasteful pedo "jokes" and comments to say for sure at least half of them would have sex with a minor if they could get away with it.

I think it's fundamentally a consequence of the sort of entitlement and predatory outlook most men have towards whomever they're attracted to. Like I see this core undercurrent that seeps into absolutely everything with a lot of them, where it's like this libertine chauvinist entitlement where everything and everyone must be subordinated to their own desires whether this is media treats or people. You can also see this in action with how absolutely weird and rabid they get about gooner shit in games or TV shows.

This means that when they're attracted to someone, that person's own agency doesn't really play into it except as something that can get in their way. They look at adult women (or young men, for some of them) this way, and since the key problem with an adult having a relationship with a teen is the latter's comparatively limited agency and life experience they can't comprehend that actual problem and instead see the risk to themselves from legal or other community consequences as the real problem. So they do "legal" entitled gooner shit or try to do "legal" groomer shit to their chosen target, breathlessly awaiting the time when the law no longer gets in between them and their desires.

I think that's also why a certain type of guy is so very insistent on splitting hairs between pedophilia (as colloquially used to refer to the crime of an adult preying on minors) and pedophilia (the specific psychiatric disorder of being attracted to prepubescent children): they see their own attraction to and feelings of entitlement towards teens as "normal, but illegal" and are very offended by being lumped in with icky "disordered" people; they don't see the problem as violating someone's agency and consent, so they view the law as the problem in one case (it can hurt them if they break it) and the ickiness they feel in the other, rather than the unifying problem that minors cannot legitimately consent and lack a great deal of personal and legal agency with children just being an even more extreme subcategory of this with them being unable to reciprocate or consent and having even less agency.

Yes and it's bad, classic hip hop stay winning.