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[–] 142 points 8 months ago (36 children)

My European brain can't comprehend the lengths of which Americans are willing to go in order to not actually fix the root cause for gun shootings being an issue at schools.

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  • [–] 24 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    And not just the impracticality, but the cost. Apparently one state alone is looking to spend $15m on just this technology next year. Plus all the other security theatre like school security guards, magnetic scanners, etc. Imagine how much money their schools would have to spend on actually teaching students if they weren't spending it all on failing to keep them safe from guns.

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  • [–] 16 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    Guns are a civic religion here.

    Consider whatever it is that you believe in most fervently, and then imagine someone asking you to violate it. That's the American brain, and it doesn't make any sense to me either.

    I don't think the culture here will change until someone manages to leak a video of kids being gunned down in a classroom. Americans will have to literally see what this culture produces to have their hearts changed.

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  • [–] 8 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Nope, wouldn't work. They'd blame poor security, unarmed teachers, bla bla.

    They think more guns is the solution to the gun problem.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago

    It could happen, especially in the age of algorithmically-elevated content.

    But looking at history, there was a distinct difference in national sentiment on civil rights before and after Emmett Till's story and coffin photos were published, so I don't think we can completely discount the possibility of change in this particular scenario.

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  • [–] 15 points 8 months ago (15 children)

    I wonder how long it would take to round up all* the guns, theoretically speaking.

    *ish

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    [–] 56 points 8 months ago (7 children)

    In November, Florida state Senator Keith Truenow submitted a request to install “significantly more cameras"—about 850—equipped with ZeroEyes across the school district. 

    850 cameras holy shit. Are people really okay with this?

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  • [–] 31 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Are people really okay with this?

    They're not given the choice. It's the foie gras method of consent. What are they going to do? Not vote red in Florida? Inconceivable.

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Lol, do you think blue officials would do different? It's the one thing they all agree on, surveillance. They'll take the opposition side whenever they aren't in power, but they'll forget that the moment they win.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago

    I don't think it's that deep. It's just ignorant/stupid people falling for clever sales tactics. Most people aren't equipped to evaluate an AI product offering like this, and the salespeople know how to exploit that.

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  • [–] 43 points 8 months ago

    ZeroEyes’ spokesperson claimed he was “intentionally holding the instrument in the position of a shouldered rifle.”

    so like for marching band practice?

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  • [–] 37 points 8 months ago

    Some kid with a high capacity clarinet playing Pumped Up Kicks probably. Praise Jesus.

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  • [–] 32 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    So you intended for AI to label not guns as guns? To give an excuse for law enforcement to.....of course. AI said we have probable cause, so we do....

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  • [–] 15 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Well, their excuse here is essentially that it's better to have a false positive than a false negative.

    And that's actually a pretty standard way of thinking in any industry that deals in automated detection systems. I work with a product that fills a somewhat similar role - automatically detecting a hazard - and what it comes down to is this; a false negative comes back on you, the company. Someone died because your product was supposed to do a job, and didn't. A false positive on the other hand, you can always counter with "But what if there had been a danger and we hadn't alerted you?"

    When pressed between those two options, the customer (that is, the execs at the top) will always prefer the false positive. Now, those false positives bring with them a whole host of problems, just like the article describes. Staff get fatigued by constant false alerts, and often start to hate the entire system. But the thing is, the people who pay for the system never have to directly deal with those negative effects. But someone dying who shouldn't have, that's absolutely something those people up at the top get it in the neck for. So they'll happily keep paying for the system, and forcing everyone to use it, even as it burns out their staff. "Better to be safe than sorry."

    I'm not remotely arguing that schools should be using this product. I'd need to see a LOT more data on its actual detection rate vs false positive rate to form any kind of opinion on that. Just saying that if you're going to make a product like this in the first place, well, yeah that's how you'd do it.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    When your product is the thing killing, harming, abusing, abducting or violating the rights of citizens, the 'better a false positive' is absolutely not the best solution. Portable cause has a standard for a reason. You could make an equal case that 'i had a feeling' is a system that produced false positives and hey, let's just let's cops violate people's rights because they felt like it....

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  • [–] 28 points 8 months ago

    I wonder if we can weaponize right wing brain rot against AI companies?

    ZeroEyes’ spokesperson claimed he was “intentionally holding the instrument in the position of a shouldered rifle.” And seemingly rather than probe why the images weren’t more carefully reviewed to prevent a false alarm on campus, the school appeared to agree with ZeroEyes and blame the student.

    WOKE liberal principal and left wing AI executive CANCEL male Christian student for wanting to role play as a cowboy. Watch based cops DESTROY their narrative!

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  • [–] 19 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Let me guess: that pupil was probably black...

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  • [–] 18 points 8 months ago*

    What is a gun if not a tube that you can choose to put explosives into to fire a projectile from the tube? I see no reason you couldn't load a clarinet like a tiny blunderbuss and fire it once. Turns out AI is pretty smart afterall

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  • [–] 15 points 8 months ago

    Fuck AI with the weak sauce as usual. Maybe if you understood things a little more you could actually know what to disagree with. Add it to your list of failures.

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  • [–] 13 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Exec is dumber than the ai

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Now if it was an Recorder. Kids should get 25 to life.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

    I’m pretty sure that hanging the prospect of a school shooting over students every day with systems like this, only increases the chances of one of them deciding that doing one is a viable solution to their own problems.

    There’s countries out there with not dissimilar rates of gun ownership where school shootings aren’t part of their culture.

    If you installed a system to stop kids from shoving Pop Rocks up their ass while running down the hall screaming, it’d be maybe a week before they figured out ways to evade it.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago

    "So Mr Bond, you think you are smart with your 'clarinet gun' yes?"

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