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[–] 122 points 8 months ago (8 children)

The Euro NCAP crash test scoring was just revised so that cars that don’t have manual controls for the most important functionality cannot get 5 star ratings anymore.

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  • [–] 37 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    There is a manual override in Teslas too. It's just so well hidden that you're not going to find in an emergency.

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    [–] 77 points 8 months ago (19 children)

    “It’s terrifying,” said Kevin Clouse, a Georgia resident who was trapped in his Model 3 following a 2023 crash and had to kick out a window to escape. He recently filed a complaintwith US regulators and has sought to raise awareness of door-related entrapment on social media. “You’re in a box that’s on fire and you can’t get out.”

    What a horrifying way to go.

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    [–] 58 points 8 months ago (10 children)

    When I was young and naïve in my 50s, I thought US cars had safety requirements, and the era of rolling death traps had been beaten back by Ralph Nader. Must've been my mistake. Is there nobody in the government looking at safety issues like un-openable doors?

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  • [–] 29 points 8 months ago

    Is there nobody in the government looking at safety issues like un-openable doors?

    Really? Are you actually surprised? The man who decided to put electric un-openable doors onto is the same man who took a chainsaw to the federal regulatory budget and got rid of any agency that had the the authority to rule on such an issue.

    To repeat:

    Is there nobody in the government looking at safety issues like un-openable doors?

    Nope, Elon Musk fired the people who were responsible for making his cars safe because Elon thought their recommendations cost too much and your safety is a sacrifice Elon Musk is willing to make if it makes Tesla stock value increase.

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  • [–] 22 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Shut it libtard, “safety” is a made-up democrat hoax. Don’t wear your seatbelt, die like a real man.

    I feel it is probably necessary to add /s

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  • [–] 18 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    For real. Mechanical handle hidden under the rubber cupholder is wild. As a European I'm amazed that it's legal.

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  • [–] 11 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    I don't see how prospective car buyers can see shit like that and not see it as indicative of much larger design issues lurking under the hood.

    Like, how do you see that and not immediately question the safety concerns of adding additional steps to escape the vehicle if there is an accident and the electric door loses power? How do you from there not question what other poor design decisions may have been made if something so obvious got through? Do people just not think about the things they're spending 10s of thousands of dollars on?

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  • [–] 9 points 8 months ago

    I think that most people just don't think about such details. Personally I wouldn't. I'd think about the ergonomics of the unlock mechanism when it works as intended, which sucks, by the way.

    But I wouldn't really think about safety. It's not my job. I would assume the industrial designer did their job, and that the regulator did theirs.

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  • [–] 9 points 8 months ago

    I hate that others have jumped on the door handle trends. It's like apple being "brave enough" to remove the headphone port. My car at least has the electric switch and mechanical backup on the same handle. I don't love it, but you can't get trapped inside.

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    [–] 57 points 8 months ago (14 children)

    Recently there was a similar incident in China involving a Xiaomi car. This led to an incoming legislation that will require all cars to have mechanical handles in case of emergency.

    Tesla alone had many such cases and there are no plans whatsoever to do anything about it.

    Imagine losing to China in safety regulations.

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  • [+] 21 points 8 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (5 children)
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    [–] 48 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    Can someone explain what was wrong with normal door handles that they would do this?

    Is it like some Steve Jobs-esque obsession with a car not being a car or something?

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  • [–] 24 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    They think the extra .01 "mpg" gained from smooth doors is worth the risk. I think most people would agree that it's not.

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  • [–] 44 points 8 months ago

    It's not necessary to have electric door handles for that. Aircraft have been using purely mechanical handles where one side is pushed to make the other stand out enough to pull for decades. Several flush door handle designs requiring no electronics have appeared on cars as well.

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  • [–] 16 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    As another commenter pointed out it does have a noticeable impact on mpg, however you can still do flush mounted handles that are fully manual. Basically every other car manufacturer does manual locks except for Tesla and a couple small (less than 10,000 units annually) companies. The thing is electric locks are cheaper, and when you don’t care about safety, you go for the cheapest option.

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    [–] 37 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    I have similar style of handles on my car that the model 3, S, and Y have. The thing is the manufacturer made the handle manual while still being flush with the body, they even added a physical key hole so I can have access to the interior if the battery is dead, while still being flush with the body. It’s not hard to do manual, it’s safer, it just costs slightly more, and as we’ve seen in capitalism, lives are cheap. So what if it kills someone, you saved $5.

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    [–] 24 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    about 70 models currently on US roads sporting electric handles

    So you can be mad at Tesla for making this popular but it's clearly not a Tesla specific problem anymore.

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    [–] 16 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    In a normal car company, the CEO would be fired.

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  • [–] 14 points 8 months ago

    No, because nothing matters except stock price.

    Musk's companies aren't evaluated based on their ability to sell products/services, they're valued on hype.

    If he left any of his companies they would suffer drastic stock crashes which would likely kill the company.

    Oddly enough Silicon Valley does a really good job of explaining how wonky the math gets.

    "Normal" companies try to raise stock by making a product, these tech companies are basically exploiting glitch's in the stock market. It's why everyone else is losing.

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  • [–] 15 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    110 people died in a car crash today in the USA alone.

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    [–] 14 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    There are layers to this.

    No exterior door handles is a massive danger in the event of a crash that incapacitates those inside. No interoir door handles is a massive danger to those inside in the event of a crash that takes out the electrical system.

    That said. Plenty of crashes will "disable" the doors just from the type of impact and so forth. And those tend to be the really bad ones.

    Which is why EVERYONE should have, preferably a pair, of those car window breakers. Keep one handy to the driver and one either in the box between the driver and passenger or somewhere very visible in the back seat area.

    In the event of a really bad crash? That is how you cut your seatbelt if it is jammed or you are otherwise unable to easily access it. And that is how you smash the glass to get out. And if you pull up to the side of an accident? That is how you get the injured driver out (keeping in mind all safety related concerns with moving someone who might have a spinal injury).

    Just... also be aware that it has become increasingly popular (and not just among swasticars) to laminate many of the occupant windows. This DOES prevent shards of glass from flying into your face in the event a pickup truck tried to run you over. This ALSO makes escape a LOT harder. It is good to actually read your manual (or at least the labels on the windows) to know which ones you can escape from in the event of a crash.

    But yeah., There is no fucking reason to remove mechanical door handles. But it is not THAT much of a danger in the event of a crash. Whereas it IS very much a deeply annoying hazard in the event of accidentally starting a firmware update with the door closed...

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  • [–] 9 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    15 deaths directly as a result of doors failing to unlock, not because the door was smashed but because of electronic failure, is not THAT much of a danger?

    Some of these incidents aren't even crashes. It's just battery malfunction, causing a fire and trapping the passengers.

    And for nothing. Teslas do have a mechanical emergency release latch. It's just hidden.

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  • [–] 9 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    In that case, it's past time to get Tesla shutdown and Elon Musk arrested for producing this shit.

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