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Mozilla situation
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Ok, but hear me out. The clown fox is adorable.
it should be the new logo
of a joke fork that's actually better than the original.
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So if Mozilla is turning into mozzarella, what's the best next alternative?
I like Librewolf on my PC. It shuts down a bunch of stuff right off he bat.
I'm looking for some recommendations for android devices.
Can second LibreWolf, though you have to be aware that it tweaks quite a few things in the name of privacy that you may want to turn back on.
For example, I was unable to use my FoundryVTT webapp until I re-enabled WebGL in the settings. Which reminds me, I need to see if that feature can be whitelisted per-domain or if it's all-or-nothing...
So, for those, I keep another, less private browser around. Like chromium or Water Fox.
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i use ironfox, it works for me, haven't tried anything else.
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I unironically use https://servo.org/ from time to time for light surfing like researching something on wikipedia.
It breaks on most modern websites especially SPAs of course its like super alpha but its heading in the right direction its great to have a alternative showing up in times like this.
Still have Firefox with all AI disabled for heavy usage and stuff like banking.
I might use that for an app.
I want a spreadsheet app that uses SQLite and runs with GUI on both macOS and Linux.
This feels like it would get the job done. I don’t want to use electron for the obvious reasons.
Tauri has servo support in development. https://servo.org/blog/2024/01/19/embedding-update/ i would assume support has gotten only better since this post was created.
Sounds very useful, BTW.
Yeah, I love spreadsheets, I love databases.
I hate Excel. Numbers is the only spreadsheet software with a good presentation layer, but it has awful functionality. I don’t want a db table viewer/editor, I want a spreadsheet.
Why not have a non-proprietary open format (SQLite) back my spreadsheets. You could port it to any front end you want, and the format will never go away.
There are a few browsers/browser engines in the works, but right now you could try a Firefox fork
Just started with waterfox today, seems pretty good so far
I would be wary. iirc, water fox was owned by an ad agency for a few years
And now it's not. The original developer bought it back a couple of years ago.
The bigger issue is that, like with all of the Firefox forks, it's still using the Firefox code base and security updates, which is what's about to go absolutely sideways. Removing the AI translator is one thing, but it sounds like they're planning on totally fucking it all up at its core.
With no usable Firefox to use as a base, all of the forks are set to die on the vine.
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... Servo appears to be missing a huge opportunity by not having an ansgty gumball machine mascot.
Uh, in lieu of a mascot that I do not think they officially have:
(Author unknown, someone on Pinterest somewhere?)
Beyond a functionality/usability focus, check out that built in Oblivious DNS, DoH solution.
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Firefox forks seem decent. Besides the aforementioned Waterfox, Fennec so far seems good too, people seem to like LibreWolf, and likely I'm forgetting some other fork.
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Unpopular opinion: the Firefox hate is completely out of proportion.
Whether we like it or not, a lot of users are interacting with the internet through AI agents. Every browser larger than Firefox already has AI agents locked into the browser. Firefox is providing an option for people who would like to use it, and that's it. They're providing it in a better and safer context, in which users can define the scope of access that the AI has, which AI agent they want to use, or even use a local AI model.
A lot of people here will start simping for the Google-backed Chromium browsers, or for crypto mining browsers, or for browsers that are essentially reskinned Firefox.
I've used the beta version that's out now. There's a little pop-up when it updates that says, hey, would you like to set up your choice of AI agent? If you don't want one, you just click no thanks and skip it and everything else still works the same.
Maybe I'm the one with the clown makeup in the last panel, but I just don't see what the big deal is for everybody.
The backlash is over the CEO's comments of "evolving into an AI browser" instead of the current implementation
Isn't this already covered with extensions, though?
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Can someone cue (or is it queue? que?) me in on what all the fuzz is this time around? I feel like I hear a pitchfork mob at least once a year without actually noticing anything different.
Just for the record: I'm not claiming that there's much ado about nothing, merely that I am severely out of the loop as usual.
Firefox is the biggest non-chromium browser competitor, and was an advocate of privacy and not selling user data
But they recently did a 180, started selling user data, and are now shoving FF full of AI bloatware nobody wants
So the userbase is feeling very betrayed
Wait, selling user data? What did I miss?
https://blog.mozilla.org/en/firefox/update-on-terms-of-use/
TL;DR Mozilla doesn’t sell data about you (in the way that most people think about “selling data”), and we don’t buy data about you. We changed our language because some jurisdictions define “sell” more broadly than most people would usually understand that word. Firefox has built-in privacy and security features, plus options that let you fine-tune your data settings.
Removing "no we will never sell your data" from your Q/A page is not a good look
Their argument is “we’re not selling your data, we’re selling our data about you.”
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The new CEO has said he wants to turn Firefox into a "modern day AI browser"
He also said he doesn’t want to but they could make $150m/year by blocking ad blockers.
I get that he said he doesn’t want to, but that really should have been a non starter train of thought.
"Clue me in" is the idiom. ~~Que~~ Cue is closer than queue, if you were an actor and needed a hint on where to go next.
A cue is a marker point, usually for media production. It can be used in several contexts.
Queue would be a line, more or less.
I'm being reductive, of course. Just trying to help people who are too lazy to Google or look at a dictionary.
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it's "clue" me in on. But "cue" does make sense, from an "eggcorn" perspective. It's not the phrase, but it makes sense.
It's also "fuss" not "fuzz" but like no biggie, most people can pick up meanings from context clues.
These would be great with added text
My candidates are:
- We can survive without Google’s money
- People want Pocket by default. So what if shares your data and fills your homepage with ads.
- We want expand Firefox into a suite and make it AI first
- We’re giving up $150m/year by not blocking ad blockers
From what I've been noticing, they're going downhill since they started being supported by their competitor and monopoly. Could they be suffering from sabotage, I wonder...
Hasn't google pretty much always supported Mozilla/firefox? I was pretty sure this was the case since basically forever.
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You've got it backwards. It's the threat of anti-trust against Google's ownership of Chrome that puts Firefox at risk. Google has pretty much always supported / paid Firefox either to have Google as the default search or more direct support to stave off the anti-trust claims.
However, if Google has to sell / spin-off chrome, there is no longer as big of a reason to fund Mozilla and that's why you're seeing Moz scramble to find new ways to find funding. This AI push is no doubt a desperate attempt to lure in investor dollars as they're reading the room and see that their current funds will likely disappear in the coming years
Edit: spelling
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Sabotage? Most probably. Along with idiocy and greed.
What alternatives exist that aren't so locked down 90% of sites don't load?
Is it only ff forks and chromium forks? All dependant on two terrible companies?
If you stay with Firefox forks use LibreWolf, if you stay with Chrome forks go Vivaldi do not use Brave, Sucks that Safari folded so many years ago for at least Windows it was a way to use Konqueror.
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LibreWolf or WaterFox
At least there is a project that tries to be the 3rd option, but no idea how useful this will be: https://ladybird.org/
Opera with Presto was already not 100% compatible with websites back then and that was the last alternative Option I remember (and not open source).
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Trading 1 clueless buzzword businessman for another.
personally I bounce between FF and Brave. Neither are ideal, FF for the reasons cited here and Brave because it stinks of crypto bro. I personally want FF to survive, it's the only non-chromium browser with any significant market share. I'm looking forward to Ladybird though.
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