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[–] 248 points 9 months ago (40 children)

Debian admin here. Even Debian gets regular kernel upgrades that like a reboot afterwards. Security updates are more important than uptime. Also regular testing for clean recovery after a reboot is a must so a power outrage doesn't bring any new surprises with it. Also test your backup restores regularly.

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  • [–] 37 points 9 months ago (27 children)

    Novice homelaber here, is this just a case of apt update & upgrade or is there different commands for security and kernel updates? Also what’s your preferred backup/restore software? Thanks!

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  • [–] 13 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (5 children)
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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago

    Kernel updates are usually held back and need to be selected manually. E.g. apt-get install linux-image-amd64.

    I prefer rsync for private backups and employ bareos in my company for all servers.

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    [–] 62 points 9 months ago (10 children)

    This is why we have UPS ;-)

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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago (9 children)

    Seriously, one black out and suddenly you see the need for a UPS. Now my desktop is on a USB, my work laptop and monitors are on a UPS, my homelab is on a UPS, even my modem and router are on a UPS. I just wish I could get a backup generator, but that's not happening anytime soon.

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    My experience with using an UPS is that they have caised an outage every few years, which is more often than we get power outages where I live, so I didn't replace the batteries last time the UPS took down my server, and are just running straight from the wall. It might be better with a more expensive UPS, but it's not worth it for me.

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  • [–] 35 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    My father was an HPUX admin that had a server with an uptime of >12 years

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  • [–] 18 points 9 months ago

    I was introduced to homelab by trying to figure out how my uncles setup. It ran for 4 years after he died, 11 years uptime. The estate probate prevented anyone from touching the equipment for the legal fights, and I get a kick out of thinking of how smug he would have been about it.

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  • [–] 27 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    Heard of tuptime? I've been using it for a while now, I think I like it.

    System startups: 151 since 18:00:05 10/11/15 System shutdowns: 137 ok + 13 bad System life: 9yr 223d 1h 27m 47s

    Longest uptime: 106d 5h 34m 28s from 14:17:10 26/03/22 Average uptime: 23d 4h 32m 0s System uptime: 99.81% = 9yr 216d 12h 31m 51s

    Longest downtime: 4d 23h 30m 48s from 10:36:53 14/09/23 Average downtime: 1h 2m 46s System downtime: 0.19% = 6d 12h 55m 56s

    Current uptime: 25d 0h 34m 25s since 20:25:37 15/11/25

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    [–] 26 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    So, you never update the kernel?

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    [–] 19 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    Or if you have a UPS and backup generator or a house battery (do these need a UPS as well still?) it will tell you how long since you setup the system.

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  • [–] 19 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    At least in my experience the chances that I move or replace hardware are much higher than the chances for a power outage.

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    [–] 18 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Are we not doing kernel upgrades?

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    [–] 17 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Pretty sure everybody is missing the joke. The joke is that Debian packages are so stable and stale that you likely will need a reboot before an update.

    Also, it's a joke....please patch your boxes, k?

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    I got obsessed with uptime in the early 2000s, but for my desktop Slackware box. It ran a bunch of servers and services and crap but only for me, not heavy loads of public users. Anyway, I reached 6 years of uptime without a UPS and was aiming for 7 when a power outage got me.

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  • [–] 18 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Skill issue. Next time you can open up the computers power supply while it’s running, splice in a second power cable, and attach a UPS without powering down or getting electrocuted.

    For legal reasons, /s

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  • [–] 13 points 9 months ago

    β€œUptime” β€” aka the anxiety meter for every sysadmin.

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  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago* (11 children)

    What if I have a really good UPS with like a whole day's worth of juice?

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    [–] 9 points 9 months ago (15 children)

    Can I ask, what is the advantage of a Debian server over a True Nas one? Asking because I set up True Nas and wondering if I should switch it to Debian

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  • [–] 17 points 9 months ago (12 children)

    True nas is nas software that moonlights as a server. Debian is a linux distro commonly used as the operating system for servers due to its incredible stability and reliability among other things. So reliable infact that it's used as the operating system for true nas scale! So unless your using the core version (that runs bsd) then your already using it. As far as rawdogging Debian on your hardware goes, id recommend against it unless you're looking to seriously up your admin game. No web interfaces, lots of time in the terminal ( command line ) and more configuration files than is anyway reasonable. And we haven't even started on virtual machines like proxmox ( also Debian based! ) or container critters like docker and kubernetes. (Iirc true nas uses kubernetes under the hood)

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (4 children)

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    ___alt-text: The "I lied, I don't have netflix" meme template. The girl with heavy dark rings around her eyes points a gun at the observer, with various images inserted in the background. The images include references to debian, libreboot, rsync, sed&awk, cron. The text reads: "I lied, I don’t have netflix - Take off your shoes, we’re going to learn to setup a NAS with Debian customized and automated to the bone and also automate the deployment process with Kubernetes. Everything will have 3-2-1 backups and controls will be networked to the volume slider in the radio of your car. We will use the motherboard of your calculator because it’s supported by libreboot."

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    [–] 7 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    I like having a consistent update and reboot schedule. Uptime feels overrated over stability and clearing the RAM occasionally.

    I definitely have some Docker containers that randomly stop working, and they are more often consistently fixed by a reboot of the machine rather than a reboot of the container or the Docker service.

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    [–] 7 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    At some point when I am less busy again I think I am gonna swap back to a debian based system because my experience on arch and red hat systems just hasnt been as good (this may be because I started on Debian based systems and keep trying to use commands that dont work on the other ones out of muscle memory)

    I get bored every so often and move all the important stuff to an external drive or a separate internal one and completely change my os

    I am on manjaro but I have also run arch, red hat, void, mint, Debian, Ubuntu and a bunch of others that I either put on laptops or something similar as messing around with devices

    Tails and slitaz have to be my favorite to run from a USB but peppermint isn't the worst

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    [–] 6 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Why type uptime when w is sufficient?

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