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[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Second Palestinian killed in latest Israeli raid in the occupied West Bank

The director of Jenin Governmental Hospital, Wissam Bakr, identified the second person killed early on Monday as Nawras Ibrahim Bawaji. He was 28 years old.

Bawaji and Amir Abdullah Sharbaji were both shot by Israeli forces during the raid, which we reported earlier near the Ibn Sina Hospital in Jenin.

At least nine other people were reported injured, according to the Palestinian news agency, Wafa.

Among those injured was a young man, who was hit by missile fragments following a drone strike on the home of the Qaniri family in Jenin.

A video posted by Al Jazeera Arabic on X, formerly Twitter, also showed a bulldozer in the process of destroying a gate in the Jenin refugee camp.

[The tweet - Nitter]

Meanwhile, Al Jazeera’s Charles Stratford, who is reporting form Ramallah, also in the occupied West Bank, confirmed from sources that at least 20 people were detained in a separate raid in the Palestinian territory.

Since the October 7 Hamas attack in Israeli, at least 114 people, including children, have been killed in the occupied West Bank. At least 1,600 have been arrested.

- Al Jazeera

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Explosions being reported in Eilat, no confirmation yet.

This particular location seems geographically relevant to keep an eye on. It's Israel's southern port and the location closest to another Jordan town that could flare up. Israelis and Jordanians living less than 5km apart here.

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

I was looking for a Tony Benn quote and stumbled on this classic interview with him during the 2009 Gaza Massacre. The BBC had refused to broadcast details of charities supporting people in Gaza, so he went full belligerent pensioner mode to get it on air. The way he runs rings around her while defending Hamas is chefs-kiss. Benn might have been a DemSucc, but it really shows flattened-bernie up as the fucking melt he is here

Edit: fuck, I found what I was looking for - “there’s no moral difference between a stealth bomber and a suicide bomber”. I forgot it was in the context of him calling John Bolton a war criminal and telling him that America is a declining empire. sicko-yes It’s also quite telling to hear the Syrian Ambassador to the UK saying “errr, guys, the border with Syria, terrorists guys, guys?”

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 year ago (10 children)

The mysterious tweet of Muhammad Ali Al-Houthi, one of the senior members of Yemen's Ansarullah

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 year ago (3 children)

US quietly expands secret base in Israel: Report

The US has been quietly moving ahead with expanding a secret base it maintains in Israel’s Negev desert, just 32km (20 miles) from Gaza, according to a report by The Intercept.

Code-named “Site 512,” the construction at the radar facility atop Mt. Har Qeren will include what US government records describe as a “life support facility”, or barracks-like structures for staff.

The Intercept said on Friday the $35.8m facility, which was not publicly announced or previously reported, was obliquely referenced in an August 2 contract announcement by the Pentagon.

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 year ago (2 children)
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[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

The signposts for ‘the path to San Francisco’ are very clear: Global Times editorial

During his three-day visit to Washington, Wang held two rounds of talks with US Secretary of State Antony Blinken, totaling more than 7 hours, and had a discussion with Assistant to the US President for National Security Affairs Jake Sullivan for over an hour. He also had a one-hour meeting with US President Joe Biden at the White House. The topics covered in this series of high-intensity talks were quite extensive, covering almost all hot issues in US-China relations and international affairs. Through these in-depth, constructive, and substantive strategic communications, China and the US have jointly sent positive signals for stabilizing and improving bilateral relations.

The temperature of China-US relations seems to be rising, and many people have such a feeling. While Wang was visiting the US, California Governor Gavin Newsom was also visiting China. He generously praised China's governance and development achievements and said "the more successful China is, the more successful we all will be," receiving a sincere welcome from Chinese society. As an official with relatively fewer domestic political agenda constraints, Newsom can speak relatively freely in China without much political burden. However, we believe that his expressions in China are not deliberately catering to others, but rather heartfelt. This also indirectly reflects the nature of mutually beneficial and win-win relations between China and the US will be more evident when political and ideological interference is excluded. This is actually the normal state of China-US exchanges

They actualy believe the American BS? Also Global times editors needing some lesson on Marxism and imperialism too, they apparently never asked themselves why that was the norm and what happened that resulted this change from the "norm". They're really clueless aren't they? Like not even clueless about FP but clearly absolutely clueless about the anti-China factor in US politics in general? Is this all it takes? Tell the CPC what they want to hear and they'll do whatever for you? All of that posturing over Pelosi, all the posturing about cutting off high level talks, all it takes is some random Democrat cuck to tell them "ah yes actualy we want nothing but cooperation! Realy! This carrier in the SCS? Oh don't worry its just to make sure we cooperate fully and respectfully, I mean it would be a shame otherwise right?"

I fear the thought the CPC is actually this stupid and clueless but I can't wait to call this a W for them actually inspite of another round of US sanctions against China and/or BRICS countries, Biden will go around the media telling everyone how tough he was over "dictator" Xi.

Maybe this is all about Newsom as Biden's successor, its the only thing that makes sense.

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The only good thing about the new speaker is his opposition to Ukraine aid.

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 year ago (3 children)

https://streamable.com/if98x0

🇵🇸❌🇮🇱 — On October 21, 2023, the Al-Quds Brigades, the military wing of Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ), published a propaganda video, threatening the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) against a ground invasion of Gaza

During the footage, Al-Quds Brigades fighters are seen moving inside the underground tunnels of Gaza, as well resting and reading the Quran preparing for a possible battle inside the Bunkers that exist under Gaza strip

According to War Noir (https://t.me/war_noir/13525), PIJ fighters are armed with AK-103-2 rifles (from 🇱🇾 Libya), 🇷🇸 Yugoslavian M70B1 rifle with a rare silencer/suppressor, RPG-7 Launchers with PG-7V/M rockets, 🇨🇳 Chinese Type 56-1 rifles, PKM/Type 80 machine guns, AKM rifles and explosives/grenades.

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 year ago

Chris Hayes "interviewed" a Norwegian doctor about the dire situation involving hospitals in Gaza. I didn't time the segment and I was listening to it the background. I have no idea how long it was. 5 minutes? Hayes hardly asked any questions. At the end of the "interview" - he didn't miss a step he thanked the doctor for his time and quickly moved on to the next segment.

TV news often goes hours speaking elliptically about the fucking "humanitarian crisis" in Gaza in passive constructions. When they they finally sort of cover the horror - Hayes's segment is typical. I think I'm beyond angry to something like nausea. In private I hope he at least acknowledges that he's a soulless corporate husk that's addicted to his sweet, sweet MSNBC compensation package so he doesn't rock the boat. But I wonder if he even does that.

The next segment was about the hostages and I changed the channel before the flood of questions started.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 year ago

Bombardment in northern Gaza on 'a scale we've never seen before'

Rushdi Abualouf reporting from Khan Younis, Gaza

There was a huge bombardment in the north of Gaza strip on a scale we’ve never seen before.

Huge flames could be seen rising into the sky – it seemed they were using different types of bombs.

At the hospital here ambulance drivers told me they couldn’t communicate with anyone, so they were just driving in the direction of the explosions.

There’s been panic everywhere, even here in Khan Younis, where the bombing was less, as people try to reach family members in other areas to check they are safe, but the phones have been cut off.

It’s total chaos.

- BBC

The BBC needs to join the 21st century and provide links to specific updates.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 year ago (9 children)

I wonder if it’s taboo to take political stances on things in other countries like it is in America (my experience anyway)

In high school, I can remember no one taking a stance on anything and defaulting to the “middle” instead, even if they were the furthest thing from a centrist. Very much radiates not discussing your salary energy

Godamnit people need to talk about all the elephants in the room I swear to god because how else do you build coalition? Friends, sure, but why aren’t these things normalized

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Israel is preparing for a "multilateral operation" from the sea, ground and air, defense minister says

Israel is preparing for a "multilateral operation" on Hamas from the "air, ground, and sea," Israeli Defense Minister Yoav Gallant said in a video statement released Monday.

Gallant has completed a tour of the Ashdod Navy base, where he said he "conducted a situation assessment of naval operations" and "toured the shores on Israel’s southern border together with Navy Commander VADM David Saar Salama," according to the Ministry of Defense on Monday.

He commended the work of soldiers and commanders in "thwarting many attacks that would have taken place" against Israel, Gallant said in a video statement filmed during the visit.

“My message to the soldiers – well done, you did an excellent job! Keep preparing for our operation, it will come soon. We are preparing thoroughly for the next step – a multilateral operation in the air, ground, and sea," Gallant added. "Do your work, get ready. We will need you.”

https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-news/israel-hamas-war-gaza-news-10-23-23/h_419603129343e9e4f686bb5b6268359e

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 year ago (15 children)

anybody have a theory on how escalation could go?

let's say like Hezbollah launches an assault while the IOF is bogged down trying to slog through Gazan streets. they push pretty hard against a token and demoralized IOF. the U.S. responds by targeting Hezbollah armored columns and support. Hezbollah succesfully strikes a U.S. carrier or escort with an Iranian anti-ship missile.

what could happen next? would this just wind up into a crazy mostly aerial, drone and missile conventional regional conflict? would the U.S. prepare for an invasion of Iran or Lebanon? would Russia decide to enter the skirmish if Syria is caught up?

what stage would tactical nuclear weapons possibly be considered?

and finally what would israel take to do a samson option and just decide to hurl 400 thermonuclear warheads in every direction, against friend and foe alike? and would the U.S. coup netanyahu or decapitate the Israeli strategic missile command (which i'm sure the U.S. knows EXACTLY where it is located) before they decide to just smash the table and end the world?

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Per CNN just now: The Detroit synagogue stabbing was not hate motivated.

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Emphasis mine. I love how the NYT doesn't even bother to explain. But in so doing for libs who are actually thinking the settlers seem like a direct extension of the Israeli state.

Four more Palestinians were killed by Israeli forces in the Israeli-occupied West Bank overnight into Friday as violence continues to rise, the Palestinian Health Ministry said. Since Oct. 7 at least 110 Palestinians have been killed and another 1,900 wounded in clashes with Israeli forces or attacks by settlers, the ministry said.

The U.N. Office for Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs said it had recorded a significant increase in Israeli settler attacks against Palestinians and their property in the occupied territory since Oct. 7, with at least 146 such attacks. The agency added that amid the increase in violence at least 82 Palestinian households, comprising 607 people, have been displaced from their homes.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2023/10/27/world/israel-hamas-war-gaza-news/939bf05a-51a2-5fab-8741-6982f76d295e?smid=url-share

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Hamas Military Spox Says Releasing Israeli Captives Requires Releasing All Palestinian Prisoners

Al Manar

Commentary: Alhamdulillah nothing less than every one!

[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 year ago

🇸🇾💥🇺🇸 Reports that the US base at Al-Tanf, Syria was targeted by two drones.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Israeli tanks were briefly in Gaza.

Here’s the latest on the war.

The Israeli military said on Thursday that it had briefly sent tanks into the northern Gaza Strip overnight as part of preparations for the next stage of fighting, after Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu indicated that a ground invasion of the enclave was likely.

It was at least the second time in the conflict that Israel had conducted a limited ground raid in Gaza, after it said some troops had briefly entered the territory two weeks ago. The military said in a Telegram post that it had hit multiple targets and “operated to prepare the battlefield,” without offering details.

[Continues]

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2023/10/26/world/israel-hamas-war-gaza-news/heres-the-latest-on-the-war?smid=url-share

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wall Street Journal: American officials said that the threats facing American forces constitute a source of grave concern

The Wall Street Journal reported on American officials: American forces in the region will be targeted as soon as the ground incursion into Gaza begins.

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 year ago

Getting next to no info on Gaza tonight. Not sure if an operation is happening or not.

Tonnes happening in the west bank though. It's so scattered it's hard to make much sense of it however.

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