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submitted 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) by SevenSkalls@hexbear.net to c/askchapo@hexbear.net

So I've been learning within the past year or so that brainwashing seems to be bullshit. It's been combination of the Korea War Blowback podcast season, a recent Seth Skorkowsky YouTube episode on moral panics in D&D/ttrpg history, and stuff like that.

It started during the Korean War to explain why prisoners of war were okay with the North Koreans or something, to dismiss the strong arguments of North Koreans as being the good guys in that war. Hell, it was written about by a CIA agent lol.

Stockholm Syndrome also seems to be untrue in a similar capacity from what I can tell. Haven't looked as much into it, but I've heard similar things that not really accepted by the psychology community as being a definitely proved thing that exists.

But what's up Patty Hearst? That seems to be the most straightforward example of "brain washing" that I've seen.

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[-] HarryLime@hexbear.net 15 points 3 months ago

STRONG CW: Abuse, SAShe was kidnapped and locked in a closet for fifty-nine days. She was threatened with death, beaten, and repeatedly sexually assaulted (I could use a stronger term, but I think you get the idea). She was terrified of her captors and was trying to survive a horrible situation.

[-] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 10 points 3 months ago

Wait wtf, really? I hadn't heard about this when reading about the case.

[-] HarryLime@hexbear.net 10 points 3 months ago

Yup, it's true. Shitty as google has become, the sources are easy to find on this.

[-] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 8 points 3 months ago

If brainwashing tech was real, you think the Symbionese Liberation Army was the first to crack it and actually use it successfully?

IMO it's simple, we're talking about a girl raised in a bourgeois family who probably felt alienated and dehumanized enough by her environment that she snapped when offered a different path. Evidence that suggests she was brainwashed is mostly narrative-building from her (very good) legal defense trying to obscure the aforementioned personal transformation.

Also I've often asked here about cases of positive trajectories where someone who started out on the right switched sides; the fact that Patty Hearst as nothing more than a young scion who grew a conscience is treated as such an anomaly really goes to show that it is pretty rare for someone to switch sides like that, even moreso the more power someone has.

[-] Maeve@kbin.earth 4 points 3 months ago

Idk about Patty Hearst, but trauma bonding is real, from personal relationships, to citizen- government relationships, military, fraternity/sorority, cults, etc.

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