Here in Mexico a failure to vote on a budget would just cause the previous years to be used. Best system in the world you got there folks
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I think that once snap is cut, there will be chaos and riots because millions of people will not have access to food.
Snap feeds 41 millions people or 12% of the population.
If they go a week or two without knowing where food is gonna come from then food Pantry's will dry up instantly and riots will happen.
I think the Democrats will stop the shutdown before then but shit is so chaotic rn that they can't do even a week without snap IMHO.
it's hard to predict how the dems will play this, but my read is that republicans have fucked the dog here and are dangerously close to actually eating this entire shutdown and all its consequences in terms of political capital.
polls-as-propaganda are trying hard to pitch this as a democrat led shutdown, but that's real hard for people to square with the GOP owning all 3 branches hard. especially with Trump's perennial victory lap and his insistence since the election that he is the undisputed leader with all the power.
but there's just enough BS to kinda play like dems are somehow responsible and have some hogs believe it.
in reality, senate GOP could immediately rewrite the rules as they have done before to nuke the filibuster and give their simple majority power to end the shut down. but i think they're afraid to, because it would reveal they had the power to end the shutdown all along (polls show deep dissatisfaction with shutdowns).
secondly, and more critically, it might not even end the shutdown because their party is so fractious. it took them forever to elect their own house speaker, and that's some low stakes BS compared to this.
so they've basically painted themselves into a corner and their only way out is to own up to it and take a big swing that might blow up in their faces.
so it seems like they are gonna stick with trying to hang it on dems, but as mentioned, that isn't really working so well despite their messaging discipline.
For like the millionth time it is indeed on the democrats to not actively fuck up an absolute layup that they could achieve with very little effort. What remains to be seen is how bad they want to fuck it up, and if anyone at any level of the party will move to stop it
From the reporting i've seen, Mike Johnson is not even trying to negotiate and neither is Trump. They think this is a win.
Someone finally told them that they might get more in donations if they actually made a show of being the opposition
polls-as-propaganda are trying hard to pitch this as a democrat led shutdown, but that's real hard for people to square with the GOP owning all 3 branches hard. especially with Trump's perennial victory lap and his insistence since the election that he is the undisputed leader with all the power.
Even if it was the democrats shutdown, what do they have to lose? FUCK THEM UP! Drowning? Drag them down with you. Become such an obstruction that they have to beg and give you half your wants before even sitting at the negotiating table.
SNAP benefits are set to wither Nov 1. depending on the state and if they contribute anything to their EBT/Nutrition Assistance, or if they work some plan to cover these funds, the 10-12% of the US population on "food stamps" won't be getting their November allotment. thats one week from today.
there have some regional extreme weather events which qualify for federal disaster declarations to access subsidized loans, but that process has been frozen since day 1.
giant institutions don't shut off like switches. they fall apart over time, especially ones that have been hit with shocks before like the US central government. competent administrators of big programs try to build in a buffer of funding so they aren't subjected to the brinksmanship of washington's partisan games over a few days' symbolic shutdowns.
when they are cut off, though, whatever funds still exist begin to drain away and whatever projects have the most political clout are prioritized to stay open. like ICE and the military.
the first few days people laugh it off and say "I don't even notice, the government prob doesn't matter then lol" which only feeds austerity talking points.
if we make it to day 60, i guarantee you are going to experience it in some way, even though many states will step in to try and soften the blow / shoulder the burden. and many states won't step in to protect their vulnerable populations, so experiences will be very distinct.
i support the federal workers on furlough and think this shutdown has insurrectionary potential, but i am not going to pretend like real people with very limited political power are the ones who will be hurt the most by it.
The second snap benefits go away, there will be riots. Millions will be out of food
Social Security sent me an email with broken links telling me not to worry.
If fed workers dont start doing acts of sabotage after 30 days of not getting paid then there is not much hope for them
I know they can't strike but can they not quit either
I don't get this caveat. How can they not organize and strike when they're both furloughed and nobody's enforcing the rule book?
its a mind game. a lot of union collective bargain agreements have no strike clauses. that's the primary reason employers have to come to the table. almost all the "rules" have all these off ramps and cool off periods to stop workers from stopping their work, because its too damaging to capital formations.
this is one of those consequences of weakening unions is that part of the benefit to capital of a union is they can create these guardrails. if the great body workers all simultaneously stop seeing the union as having meaningful power enough to protect them from egregious abuses, it opens up wildcatting, sabotage, occupation etc.
ehat is distinct about public service in the austerity era is that few committed public servants wants to actually wreck shit or otherwise degrade public services, especially since that's what the political project causing the shut doen seems to want.
figuring out a tactic for sticking it to the politicians while continuing to provide value to the public is complicated and tends to be specific to the agency, and there usually tend to be laws against it.
Good point on the public employees side. For those not directly tied to public services, I question why they don't do more if they're so against the things happening to them. From the outside looking in, they comply and say they do so because they have to, which makes no sense to me. If anyone could direct change it would be them, those directly tied to federal events, instead they follow whatever new change is thrown their way.
There's a lot of misunderstanding about public sector unions and concerted activity.
Essentially most of the private sector has some protections guaranteed by law to engage in union activity including strikes. For instance, private sector workers can strike and the employer cannot terminate their employment because of the strike (there are other legal ways to fuck over striking employees but they are limited somewhat).
If public sector workers strike they have no protections. This means if they walk off the job their employment can be terminated. Trump could just tell them they're fired with no claim to unemployment benefits, COBRA, or severance benefits. They can also be banned from federal employment for life.
Federal strikes are also explicitly illegal and employees or the union would almost certainly be fined. They could also face jail time in theory although that's quite rare.
This doesn't mean they couldn't strike, but it is a lot riskier than a private sector strike.
From a longterm perspective though, eventhough there's been mass layoffs,some industries need bodies to function- we saw with the rehiring, so firing even essential workers could cause a damaging public backlash and or significantly more weak federal government
They should just show up, play Minecraft or Slay the Spire all day, and go home.
How the fuck is this still going on? Are ya'll seriously going to have a month without any government services available?
What if we all just ignore the federal government until it disappears 
Getting a shitload of spam calls but I can't report them since the part of the government that deals with it is shut down 
you can report spam calls?? and something gets done about them??
idk how effective it is but at this point I'm willing to try anything, I'm getting like a dozen of these fucking calls a day and they all seem to be from NYC area codes (I am nowhere near NYC)
https://consumercomplaints.fcc.gov/hc/en-us
Due to a partial lapse in federal government funding, starting October 1, 2025, the FCC's Consumer Complaint Center (CCC) will be unavailable until normal agency operations resume.
You know the spammers have a way to spoof the phone numbers they are calling from? So they might not actually be calling from NY.
you can report spam calls??
yep
and something gets done about them??
nope
Checking in from CA and I don't notice shit
I feel bad for federal workers but like also what a bunch of chumps
Imagine working for free
Imagine trying to fina another job right now
I'm in a rural college town surrounded by soy and corn farmers. I know farmers have been on edge since they have no one to sell their soy to this year. Most of them seemed to think Trump was gonna give them a bailout, but the shutdown has come right in the peak of harvest season so i assume most of them are freaking tf out right now. But i haven't heard much word from them since farmers don't really come into town much during the harvest.

Deeply unserious country.
My work is already severely affected by the anti-science bullshit, so it's been bad for a while. Meanwhile, my wife's work can't run SSN for subcontractors, not that anyone is fucking building homes right now.
have not yet noticed in my offline life, fortunately I'm not dependent on direct govt benefits (yet).
This empire is gonna last forever! No major societal change will ever come!

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