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[-] [email protected] 14 points 17 hours ago

I read a carbrain article a while ago that tried to argue that cyclists create more CO2 than a car.

So to compare that they assumed that

  • The cyclist eats exactly as much calories as required, so that extra exercise directly requires an increase of caloric intake. They did the same for the driver.
  • The cyclist exclusively covers the added caloric intake via imported japanese Kobe beef steak cooked on a wood grill.
  • The car was the lowest-consumption electic car they could find.

And with that setup the cyclist actually created more CO2.

The author seriously booked that as a win for the car, claiming that cycling is not always better for the environment than driving.

[-] [email protected] 6 points 17 hours ago

Wow that feels like an exercise in the absurd

[-] [email protected] 2 points 17 hours ago

lol that’s so dumb. If you want an actually good breakdown then I’d recommend this video to share with people!

[-] [email protected] 8 points 17 hours ago

If you drive in a 25 miles per gallon vehicle (pretty standard) you will burn the equivalent of 1100 calories per mile. Assuming an active person who rides their bike a lot eats around 2500 calories a day, and they ride to work every day, and they live 5 miles away. In the car you would burn about 11,000 calories a day, in the bike you would never burn more than 2,500 and that ignores the fact that actually most of those calories have nothing to do with the biking.

Also, one year of an average American driving (around 14,000 miles) would have the equivalent calories of giving 16,000 people a proper meal.

[-] [email protected] 16 points 21 hours ago

If this is true, then support a carbon tax without exceptions. All the extra food cyclists use will be taxed extra.

[-] DakRalter 25 points 23 hours ago

My understanding is that humans pretty use about the same amount of calories a day, whether sedentary or not. If you spend more on exercise, your body spends less on other things.

https://www.science.org/content/article/scientist-busts-myths-about-how-humans-burn-calories-and-why

The amount your body uses just to stay alive dwarfs what you'd burn from adding cycling to your day.

[-] [email protected] 10 points 21 hours ago

Talk to a bike courier if you get the chance to. The amounts of calories they burn in a shift is ridiculous.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 18 hours ago

Most people are way above the amount of calories they need. Doing more exercise just burns that excess and you need to do a ton more exercise to actually get to the point where you need to eat more to cover that surplus consumption.

So if you do an 8h cycling shift you might need to eat more. But if you just commute to work for an hour per day (half an hour per direction) you will not need to take in more calories.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 20 hours ago

I think what it means is that yes, you can burn more calories in a given active session (working out for example) but the amount of calories you expend over a year for example, divided by the number of days, ends up being about the same regardless.

I guess one of the more popular reasons as to why is because your body is capable of compensating for high intensity sessions when you’re not as active, and being extremely active for long ends up burning you out so you can’t do it anymore (and you get sick or injured).

But from what I’ve seen, exercise is still really good for you, it’s just not exactly for the reasons we used to think. I know in my (very anecdotal) case, I actually eat less when I’m working out regularly just out of instinct. Maybe it’s my body’s way of going “we need to stay light because we have to run again tomorrow”?

[-] [email protected] 6 points 19 hours ago

There is a video from kurzgesagt on this very topic: link

[-] [email protected] 38 points 1 day ago
[-] [email protected] 19 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

Unfortunately it does not have to be satirical. We have this idiot professor of economics, Reiner Eichenberger, in Switzerland who calculated the same kind of shit for an article in a business newspaper (Handelszeitung).

He said an efficient car using 5 l or 12 kg CO2 per 100 km with four people is more efficient than a cyclist who needs 2500 kcal per 100 km, so they have to eat 1 kg of beef which emits 13.3 kg CO2. Therefore the people in the car are 4 times as efficient per passenger kilometers.

People got quite cross, there were replies by other professors in other magazines to tear him and his shitty assumptions to shreds.

[-] [email protected] 22 points 23 hours ago
  • He assumed this ridiculous beef-only diet. Potatoes or pasta would be around 0.5 kg.

  • He included CO2 in the production of the beef but not of the gas. That would amount to another 50% or so.

  • He assumed a more efficient than average car for Switzerland, 7l would have been fairer. And on shorter distances it gets worse, e.g. on daily commutes.

  • He assumed 4 people but cars on average carry around 1.5.

  • He ignored grey energy in the car and bike production, which would make the bike look way better. Whenever he's railing against EVs he includes grey energy because then it makes traditional cars look better.

  • There are also some hard to calculate benefits for public health in cycling.

  • Cycling for travel might substitute other sports activity that would have used the same amount of food.

  • Cyclists generally cover less distance than drivers. A 1-to-1 comparison the same distance might not be sensible in the first place. If you cycle you try to find nearby destinations, so from a public policy perspective encouraging more cyclists also implies less total distance traveled.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 19 hours ago

Also, the driver and passengers still burn calories while just sitting in the car.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 22 hours ago

Cyclists generally cover less distance than drivers.

My partner recently had her car MOT done and I can confirm I cycle more than she drives in a year. Would be very interested to know the average speed of each though as I can often cycle past cars that are waiting at the lights but the bike path is flowing freely.

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[-] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago

Absolutely. It’s quite funny.

[-] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago

Or at least a dig at someone being overly pious. My brother for a while was unbearable about his 2 x EVs saving the world while living in a city with at least 6 public transport alternatives within 100m

[-] [email protected] 2 points 17 hours ago

Guarantee that person has a BMI over 40.

[-] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

If the the Dutch are so climate couscous maybe they should invent energy-free travel

[-] [email protected] 10 points 23 hours ago

I've got to upvote you for "climate couscous". Sounds delicious.

[-] [email protected] 26 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

That's cute. No other personal vehicle beats the caloric efficiency of a bicycle, and it's not even close. They're very literally one of the most impressive feats of engineering that human kind has ever invented.

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[-] [email protected] 20 points 1 day ago

No one tell them how many calories are in a tank of gas

[-] [email protected] 27 points 1 day ago

Alright, I'll take the bait. Let's do some recreational math

This web page contains average passenger car fuel efficiency broken down by year. The most recent year available is 2016, so we'll use that: 9.4 km/L or 22.1 miles per gallon. A gallon of gas has about 120MJ of energy in it. So, an average car requires about 120,000,000 / (1/22.1) = 5.4MJ per mile

This web page has calories burned for different types of exercise. I separately searched and found that the average adult in the US weighs around 200LBS, so we'll use the 205LBS data, and I'm going to assume that "cycling - 10-11.9 MPH" is representative of the average commuter who isn't in too much of a hurry. That gives us 558 calories per hour, or 55.8 calories per mile (using the low end of the 10 to 11.9mph range). That's equal to about 0.23MJ per mile (as an aside, it's important to note that the calories commonly used when talking about diet and exercise, are actual kilocalories equal to 1000 of the SI calories you learned about in school.)

Moral of the story: an average bike ride consumes around 20x less energy than an average drive of the same distance.

[-] [email protected] 20 points 1 day ago

We also gotta keep in mind that cycling makes people healthier, so it has that benefit, and that it can also potentially replace some exercise people would be doing otherwise, in which case you're basically moving for free since you would have expanded those calories anyways.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

You mean I don't have to drive to the gym anymore if I cycle to work?

[-] [email protected] 14 points 1 day ago

Worth noting that cars can fit more people in them than bikes can.

So with that in mind, clearly the true moral of the story is that clown cars are the most efficient method of travel.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 21 hours ago

You joke but are kind of right. But it only starts making sense when you quite literally start moving bus loads of people.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 20 hours ago

Very true. It's a shame we haven't invented any form of transport that can fit a bus load of people inside at once.

(Source: am american)

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[-] [email protected] 193 points 1 day ago

Wait until he finds out how many calories gasoline has

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[-] [email protected] 90 points 1 day ago

You know you're on the right side when you're arguing against humans exercising more!

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[-] [email protected] 61 points 1 day ago

And yet cyclists still consume less per day than that 400 lb dude in an F150.

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