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[-] [email protected] 81 points 4 days ago

I've been saying for years "self driving cars are solving the wrong problem". The problem isn't that I have to steer my car. The problem is I need a fucking car to go anywhere worth going.

[-] [email protected] 7 points 4 days ago

But then this problem will be solved for those who can't afford it. This is simply not fair to those who are hardworking to earn their salary

[-] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago
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[-] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago

Obvious enough, but people are crazy and I’ve seen people here with even worse opinions.

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[-] [email protected] 63 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

I saw a video recently by a car enthusiast who hates the idea of self driving cars for a novel reason.

Even if self-driving cars are safer than people it won’t stop bad owners. People who drive with unsafe mechanical issues they can’t or won’t get fixed are still going to exist, and bald tires and worn brakes would eliminate any potential safety benefits of self driving.

And by further removing people from the operation of a car, you’re making them worse owners. They won’t know what a worn tie rod bushing would feel like because they never steer. Making cars into appliances just makes them less safe.

He also made a point that I agree with: If we get people who don’t want to drive off the road, the roads would be nicer for people who do want to drive.

[-] [email protected] 14 points 4 days ago

Also having worked in the industry the "if" in "Even if self-driving cars are safer than people" is carrying the weight of the sun. You might be able to get them safer than humans in a specific subset of circumstances but I would never trust one.

[-] [email protected] 8 points 4 days ago

If they could have made anything self driving already it’d be trains, but we still don’t have fully automated trains

[-] [email protected] 17 points 4 days ago

Yes we do. REM in Montréal, skytrain in Vancouver

[-] [email protected] 9 points 4 days ago

I think the Sydney metro partially is too. But that is easier because it doesn't cross any roads, or have many branching connection.

[-] [email protected] 8 points 4 days ago

Maybe you don't, but in Kuala Lumpur Malaysia, we have it for decades.

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[-] [email protected] 12 points 4 days ago

I somewhat disagree with this. If you can feel worn tires, brakes, or suspension bushings, it's easy to imagine the car feeling them and raising a service alert, and locking out if not appropriately serviced.

Vendor lock-in and enshittification, baby.

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[-] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago

People who drive with unsafe mechanical issues they can’t or won’t get fixed are still going to exist, and bald tires and worn brakes would eliminate any potential safety benefits of self driving.

In European nations we just inspect the shit out of every car to ensure safety. The car must be mechanically satisfactory and have adequate brakes, tyres, etc.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago

In the US only 19 states have mandatory periodic safety inspections

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[-] [email protected] 23 points 4 days ago

I'm hearing you want continental Europe

[-] [email protected] 6 points 3 days ago

Shame that they don't want me. ;_;

[-] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago

* exceptions may apply

[-] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago

New York City, Washington DC, Boston, MA?

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[-] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago

*western continental Europe

[-] [email protected] 18 points 4 days ago

Or even

Wait for it

SELF DRIVING TRANSIT

Which yes is already a thing too

[-] [email protected] 10 points 4 days ago

And much easier to implement than self driving cars

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago

Okay

but what, hear me out now.

What if we just got a bunch of self driving cars.

and we linked them together to increase capacities.

and had them run on a dedicated path

and create special locations where these car links come and go on a regular schedule, so people can get on and off predictably?

It'll be new, neverbefore seen, and revolutionary! /s

[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

"did the tech industry just reinvent the subway again"

[-] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago

Copenhagen pretty much has this. So easy to get around everywhere.

[-] [email protected] 9 points 3 days ago

somebody should do a compilation including data about:

  • the costs of public transport against private cars, for the whole city
  • the space consumption for parking your private cars in a city compared to the space consumption for all public transport vehicles

and make a statistics and post it here

[-] [email protected] 6 points 3 days ago

They have (I've seen them, but don't have a link sorry) and car free or semi car free with good bike and public infrastructure is almost always cheaper and more efficient

[-] [email protected] 10 points 4 days ago

Self driving buses though can be very useful!

No labor cost to drive the bus means it suddenly becomes a lot cheaper to operate buses with less capacity. Meaning, more frequent buses in low density neighborhoods.

[-] [email protected] 28 points 4 days ago

Lets go a step farther and put that bus on tracks, which will make it even easier and safer to implement self driving.

[-] [email protected] 18 points 4 days ago

maybe we can connect multiple busses together and that way it can carry more on the same track!

[-] [email protected] 7 points 4 days ago

Tram systems could be made that simple as adding capacity is just add another tram car to the link onto certain routes. We do also need trains but trams serve a more localized purpose, which often make up the majority of someone's trips

[-] [email protected] 7 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Hear me out:

We give them road specifically for them, make them self driving, give them lidar and whatever sensor to be safe, paint a specific coloured line on the route, direct them to only self-drive on that line so no deviation = no worry with traffic, and call them well-trained bus.

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