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California governor rejects bill to give unemployment checks to striking workers (thehill.com)
submitted 11 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
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[–] [email protected] 86 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

"he vetoed this bill because the fund the state uses to pay unemployment benefits will be nearly $20 billion in debt by the end of the year.

The fund the state uses to pay unemployment benefits is already more than $18 billion in debt. That’s because the fund ran out of money and had to borrow from the federal government during the pandemic, when Newsom ordered most businesses to close and caused a massive spike in unemployment. The fund was also beset by massive amounts of fraud that cost the state billions of dollars."

The reasoning and background, if anyone is curious

[–] [email protected] 32 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Striking workers should get unemployment checks. Striking workers are unable to work due to no fault of their own. That's what unemployment is supposed to cover.

A strike can only legally happen if contract negotiations are not making progress. If negotiations have reached an impasse, the union can chose to strike, or management can choose to lockout the workers. As long as the union's side of the negotiating table are bargaining in good faith, neither a strike nor a lockout is the fault of the workers. Therefore in any just world they would be eligible for unemployment.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Isn’t that what union dues are for?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago

It depends on the union. Strike funds are a good idea. Many unions have them. But there are many expenses in operating any organization, and the dues cover all expenses of the union.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

Striking workers are literally employed and strike wages are paid out of union dues.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

That’s a really weird take for someone who looks to be trying to run in the ‘28 race. Why this stance over all the others you’ve taken? This would have been a grand slam policy along with the others he’s approved this minth

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

He also vetoed a few other progressive bills. He's gone from a "politically uninspiring, but at least he's got fight" to "no, thanks" with this active hippy punching shit. He didn't even need to do anything, passively signing bills that were voted on by his legislature wouldn't blow back on him at all, but he's actively signaling hostility to progressives because he wants to curry favor with people that oppose them.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

How is it weird? Unions will endorse him no matter what he does because he's running against the red team, might as well fuck them over.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Also, he's a lib, so...

[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

Unemployment is paid for by employers. Paying unemployment to striking workers is in effect forcing employers to keep paying their employees even though they're not working.

Keep in mind that California is an at-will employment state.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Just wanted to point out that "Right to work" is a union term.

California, like every U.S. state except Montana, employment is "at will," meaning that they can fire you for any reason (except for illegal ones like discrimination.)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Right to work states are anti union.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Good to know.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Here's the AFL-CIO's take on right to work AFL-CIO

I used to be a union member in a right to work state and we had no union contract or protections until a democrat majority was voted in to the state government and passed a law allowing public safety unions to collectively bargain a contract with our employer.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

forcing employers to keep paying their employees even though they’re not working.

That's the whole fucking point of unemployment. The insurance rates are paid by companies, but it's not their money to direct as they please for their own benefit. They'd very much tell ex-employees to go fuck themselves if they could, but they're forced to pay into the fund that supports them.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

My point is that it's coercive and will drive businesses out of the state.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Regulation is coercive (and good). Businesses aren't maintaining safety standards and supporting their out-of-work employees out of pure altruism. The real objection for businesses is not that unemployment rates might be marginally higher (people are just regular unemployed way more often than they're striking), it's that this increases worker power.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

But when you're paying striking workers to strike, you're incentivizing them to never compromise as long as the benefits last, which would be up to 26 weeks. Besides being unable to afford it, the state would start to see longer strikes and businesses moving out. I feel dirty for saying it, but this time Newsom was right.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago

Unemployment isn't endless, isn't 100% of your pay, and doesn't allow you to take other work. It's still always financially better to go back to work. This is exactly the bullshit conservative argument against having unemployment at all, "it makes workers not want to work".

And yes, more monetary support for striking workers would increase worker power, I already said that. It wouldn't necessarily cause long strikes, but it would make employers unlikely to be able to starve out a strike. That's a good thing. Corporate/worker power is so amazingly out-of-balance that strikers are basically always in the right. Maybe with more power they could eventually get to the point where it would be abused, but currently anything that biases things towards workers is good.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 months ago

California is not right to work, that means that a person can work in a union shop without being a member of the union. You are thinking of at will.