To be fair, liberals resisting fascism does sound pretty unrealistic.
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Yeah major bug tbh
Implementing fascism as a mechanic only for it to be unsustainable gameplaywise is a good bit tbh
Somewhat related, in Civ 4, depending on the ideology you choose, you get a specific related wonder to build
When you pick "fascism", the wonder is Mt. Rushmore
Civ 6 would never 
the series has gone insanly lib
It always was lib. The very premise and core mechanics have liberal ideology baked into it. Still play it though....
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Civ IV also had Mao and Stalin in it and I often wonder how they got away with all that
I mean, the "Civilopedia" entries for both is very lib, so that's probably part of it. The numbers they cite in Civ IV are ~20 million deaths under Mao as well as claiming "up to 10 million dead" in an "engineered famine" under Stalin. In an interview, the original creators said they primarily did all of their research in the children's section of the library, so that's probably at least part of the reason for The Black Book of Communism-esque figures. Thankfully, despite eating enough of an anti-communist buffet for an entire kindergarten, they managed to have just enough sense not to put Hitler in any of the games to my knowledge. Even in the baked in WW2 mod for Civ IV, they replaced him in with Franz von Papen(still a fascist piece of shit ofc, but way less name recognition).
edit: this is just the tip of the iceberg really. reading the Civilopedia after getting back into Civ IV has given me psychic harm. The Stalin section is thoroughly packed to the brim with all of the dumb tropes we've gotten used to debunking. I'd make a separate post about it if I could find the text files to quote more easily.
God I had no idea it was that bad. Just saw them in the game and thought oh that's cool.
Still makes me wonder though if they really truly believe that Stalin and Mao are 500 gazillion dead why put them in the game?? Its so baffling
Making sure all of my production goes into tanks instead of tractors, and shells instead of shovels, and wondering why my people are starving
They just need to evolve the ability to consume lead
They can eat lead, that's for sure.
Victoria 3 isn't good at modeling the effects of imperialism on capitalist political economy (i.e., development of a nationalist labor aristocracy & class collaborationist social democrats) as well as the conditions that give rise to fascism.
But also lol.
Whoah hold up. Check their post history, OP.
Think about this the proletariat produces labor. Labor is the driving factor of the economy nothing is produced without it. If the prolatariat wanted to cripple the capitalist system it could, if all the workers stood up and even just striked the facade would fall, the military can't run, the CIA can't run, the government can't run, the world can't with without labor becuase the world is run via labor.
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Alright bare bones a socialist is someone who beleives that the means of production (litterally anything used to make stuff) should be controlled and owned by the workers. In out current capitalist society this means of production is reffered to as "private property." A socialist believes that only by abolishing this private property (not to confused with "personal property like toothbrush or house) and wage labor (the general concept of working a job with a boss and capitalist etc.) can the proletariat be freed from the clutches of capitol. Of course there is nuance to any awnser and between these sentences is thousands of pages of theory but the underlying prinicipals are the same. If you are getting into socialism I reccomend the Youtube channels Second Thought and Hakim.
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Are we talking about "leftwing" (liberals) or leftwing (socialism) I can't tell
idk but I'm pretty sure they're "playing as a fascist" in that "fascism in this game is a disaster" thread, as well.
Yeah most of their posts in the last year have been in Socialism subreddits. I don't think this poster is a fascist lol
Yeah it’s not an inherently fascist take to want a game that simulates running a country to allow a fascist play through to be viable. The people that complain about the fascist power level and real fascists are mostly the same, but not by definition.
Yet another "I am just pretending and wearing a mask and you can not guess anything about what's beneath the mask, also my entertainment has no effect on me" consumerbrain.
Gamers when the villain playthrough is the hard mode
If they don't get praised and rewarded for being an asshole, they are being preached at. 
Speaking of games, it's kinda sad that zoomers and their fash motivations are on the same level as Team Flare's motivation. "Everyone sucks except for us. So we need to kill everyone for the horrible crime of not being as awesome as us."
You could even argue Elongated Muskrat is a real life Lysandre. Both tech bros that want to genocide "ze undesirables". 4chan, much like team flare, also want a mass extermination of anyone who dares to not be perfect in every conceivable way. Hell, one of their litmus tests for worth is wealth, and rich people are one of the ONLY groups you can't get away with mocking on the internet (for being of their class and nothing else).
They are the Main Characters that are deeply frustrated that the NPCs aren't just like themselves, or at least aren't compliant and fawning enough like some triumphant isekai story. 
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imagine publicly admitting that you're less good at establishing fascism than the historical nazis
That does sound off. The problem with fascism isn't that it's hard to achieve. It's that fascism itself is a dogshit ideology for dogshit people.
For sure you can implement fascism with a huge population of liberals
"Haha, hey guise, can you help me with my fascism? I don't really LIKE fascism, haha...just for the record, ya know? But yeah if you could help me be a fascist, that'd be swell."
People all over this thread forgetting how hilarious playing as a fascist can be 
As long as you’re endlessly shitting on them
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An idealistic form of government that is based entirely upon killing and hatred to keep it going causes conflicts against itself? 
: "Buh....gommie bad and murica gud! DiDnT yOu LeArN tHaT iN hIgH sChOoL!?!?!"
Best nazi strategist.
Why do you think someone is a Nazi in real life because they're trying to create a Nazi regime in a game? The entire point of games is to try things you wouldn't normally do…
This person is shitting their pants that fascism is not a viable ideology. Do they sound like someone who does not have a skin in the game to you?
The entire point of games is to try things you wouldn't normally do…
What kind of heinous crimes are you simulating in your video games, buddy?
logging in to the pedophile simulator because video games are where you try things you normally wouldn't do
What kind of heinous crimes are you simulating in your video games, buddy?
To be fair I kill cops in videogames all the time but don't currently advocate for it in real life.
That's self defense
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Ok, but this person's complaint isn't "fascism isn't making me win instantly" it's "I can't even make the country become fascist."
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What kind of heinous crimes are you simulating in your video games, buddy?
One where you kill your own mother, then go into her womb and kill her heart, for example. Have you never played a violent game? It's pretty well studied that violence in video games doesn't lead to violence in real life.
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Well, all I'm going to say is I've played rimworld...
I make utopian anarchist paradises in RimWorld idk what the rest of you are doing in there
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Look, I didn’t make them scatter the remains of dead invaders around the encampment. They just kept trying to go retrieve the bodies and dying, so I stopped them from doing that and there the bodies lay.
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it would be a very strange person to be both not a nazi and also very dedicated to making fascism work in a bibeo gaem, so it's sort of an occam's razor situation. Simplest explanation is, they're a fascist.
Yeah, i am disgusted by fascism and would never even think to play as one. You have to be willing to carry a little water for fascists to play as one, and at that point you're going to be sitting at their table.
I like playing as Italy in hearts of Iron. Its fun. I also like to ally with Ceasars Legion cus theyre evil.
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Are you also opposed to violent games because violence is disgusing? Do you think people who play violent games are violent in real life?
I am not opposed to violent games, because i do not view violence as being bad by itself. It's all about how you use violence 
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And when it comes to how it affects people, the entire north american culture is enamoured with violence, but in the most reactionary and gory way possible. It's not just video games that cause this, but film, television, and the news, all exploit bleed and lead narratives. Do i judge people for playing these games? Most of the time no, depending on the game. Call of Duty is reactionary schlock, but it's effectively a triple aaa movie with a controller. You buy it because your friends buy it, because they've been playing them for years, and so on and so on. No different than getting the new Madden game every year (even though Call of Duty is inherently political, but this is not my focus at the moment).
But, if you were to play a game like Hearts of Iron IV, and immediately try a Hitler any% speedrun, i'm definitely going to raise my eyebrow. These types of games come with historical baggage, and your choice of luggage does show a little bit of how you think.
All in all, this is coming from a mostly North American cultural perspective, but the inherent desensitization of violence in ideology is definitely gross, and is therefore easily exploited. While a person who plays violent video games might not themselves be violent, they are more likely to view the acts that occur in real life as entertainment. The venn diagram of someone who prefers violence in their videogames, and the type of person to show you a war crime or cartel videogame on their phone out of the blue, is a circle. This, of course, is something i absolutely despise and have told off people before.
I hate the act of violence, but to throw off the chains of the oppressor cannot be done peacefully, as violence is needed to combat violence. These people, however, view it little more as a passive treat, knowing that living in their comfy home, far away from where violence is happening, they can sit there in their laz-e-boy chair and watch the latest news
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yeah you want to blame mussolini for coming up with a dumbass ideology.
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