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Trump is probably on the list, so he has to protect that. The Democrats had it during their entire presidency; even if they didn't want turmoil during their time in office, they could have released it after their presidential defeat and before Trump took office.

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[-] [email protected] 63 points 6 days ago

Because Democratic leadership is aware that Republicans aren't their actual enemies, and a ton of them are also on the list.

[-] [email protected] 17 points 6 days ago

The democrats are aware that their names are on the list and they’re the only ones that will be held accountable for it. The republicans will hold witch burnings while completely ignoring their own member’s names on the list.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago

will be held accountable for it

sweet summer child

[-] [email protected] 27 points 6 days ago
[-] [email protected] 33 points 6 days ago

As non-American, the reason I think that Democrats didn't release the list was that not only were some Democrats and their donors on it, they knew that they would be crucified by Republicans and Americans for it. The also knew that at the same time all the Republicans and their donors on the list would be let off because laws, morality, ethics are only ever to be used to oppress the poor and non-whites or to combat Democratic politicians. Do you think Trump would ever have made it to President as a Democrat? There is a reason he switched to become a Republican.

[-] [email protected] 8 points 5 days ago

No idea, but I read the title like it was the setup to a joke.

[-] [email protected] 12 points 5 days ago

The Aristocrats!

[-] [email protected] 6 points 5 days ago

Maybe the idea that Epstein was at the head of a global network of paedophiles, involved with trafficking young girls and boys for the likes of Trump, Clinton and Gates is fanciful.

Impossible? No. Improbable? Yes.

The idea that this is all some Mossad psi-op to influence US politics is also bonkers and predictably falls into classic anti-semitic tropes.

Is it tittilating and fun to speculate about with people online? Sure. Does social and traditional media love a good juicy story like this and will continue to give it play and play? Absolutely.

[-] [email protected] 6 points 5 days ago

Propriety, ironically.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago

guilty by association.

[-] [email protected] -4 points 5 days ago

Your premise is wrong. The Democrats never had the list, and the Republicans don't have it now. The people who actually have that list, and those documents, have names. Use those names. Don't trick yourself into believing that some random congressperson has access or authority.

[-] [email protected] -2 points 5 days ago

What is "the list"? How do we know the government even has "the list"?

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[-] [email protected] 0 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I am wondering now. How could such a list even be proven real or couldn't trump just fake one?

[-] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Because anyone (everyone) on that list is going to immediately sue for defamation etc, and if they don't have evidence or they messed up the chain of custody on that evidence, it'll be an issue. They also will be able to look at all the evidence through discovery and see if it's tampered with. So that's why they can't release even 1 name, because they are protecting Trump

[-] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

But still then, how would all this evidence even look like? Some piece of papers and flight logs? Even if they released all the real evidence I suspect it won't hold up against all the people on the list discrediting it.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago

Epstein took extensive video footage of every single thing that happened in his houses. That's why Pam Bondi said it was "child porn." They have the entire act on footage. Blackmail isn't very effective otherwise.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I think manufacturing the complex evidence needed here wouldn’t be possible.

I had a similar thought. Why didn’t they just release democrat names? And I think it’s because while they know they can claim nothing exists (What they are doing now, after having access), if they try to cherry-pick info and claim that’s all that exists, someone with knowledge in the matter will be able to leak/prove they are cherry picking.

It’s also very tempting to buy into the idea that if the list is as long and vast as some suggest, it will undermine trust in a very real way that goes beyond MAGA/Qanon fringe conspiracy circles. I could see the Trump admin, as stupid and bumbling as they are, recognizing the fire they are playing with.

I hate how kooky that all sounds. What a fucked up situation.

[-] [email protected] 225 points 1 week ago

I assume because there were some high profile dems on the list.

[-] [email protected] 127 points 1 week ago

Yup. Everybody's just going to pretend nothing ever happened and move on.

Just to be clear, that is not what should happen

[-] [email protected] 85 points 1 week ago

Even if it comes to light, I have doubts anything will come of it. Look what happened with the Panama papers. Basically only Iceland did anything about it.

[-] [email protected] 35 points 1 week ago

Australia acted on it for what it’s worth.

[-] [email protected] 22 points 1 week ago

they bombed a reporter over it.

[-] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago

Iceland had the highest profile result so perhaps it may seem that way, but many countries investigated and prosecuted individuals. In addition, it caused the entire global financial system to redouble AML efforts.

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[-] [email protected] 146 points 1 week ago

For the same reason republicans won't: They're on the list, their friends are on the list and their donors are on the list.

[-] [email protected] 50 points 1 week ago

The last point is the most important.

[-] [email protected] 22 points 1 week ago

The difference is the democrats didn’t campaign on the promise of releasing it. And MAGAs believed him for some weird reason

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[-] [email protected] 103 points 1 week ago

Because most of their big money donors are also on the list.

[-] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago

If someone hands you $50,000 a year with no questions every year, it’s hard to say no when they squeeze your hand and ask you to reconsider releasing it.

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[-] [email protected] 44 points 1 week ago

And Bill Gates, probably. I have a feeling that was a reason for Melinda to split because she has never given a straightforward answer. It was just, "Oh, we're splitting for reasons."

[-] [email protected] 10 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

She just gave an interview where she confirmed Epstein was a major reason for the divorce amongst other reasons. She said she met Epstein one time and had nightmares afterwards.

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[-] [email protected] 69 points 1 week ago

Its rumored that Epstein was working with Israeli Intelligence so they probably have big files on many prominent Democrats and Republicans which is why everybody talks a big game about releasing the client list (if it exists) but never follows through. Its stuff like this that exposes the real game that both these parties are working together against the American people. The party always comes first.

[-] [email protected] 33 points 1 week ago

Pretty sure he was an asset and Ghislaine is the agent. Both based in who’s alive, and whose father’s funeral was attended by multiple former heads of Mossad.

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[-] [email protected] 20 points 1 week ago

I'm Commander Shepard and this is my favorite conspiracy on the Citadel.

[-] [email protected] 66 points 1 week ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

The obvious is that Dems are on the list too. Which is undoubtedly true. Even more importantly than that donors. But the fact that Merrick Garland was involved and he'd never to anything to make Trump look bad ever should also be remembered.

[-] [email protected] 47 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

because includes alot of politicians, donors, and other world leaders, movie executives. just like the panama papers got swept under the carpet, it including tons of rich people.

Gates, musk, trump, hawkings, diddy,,,etc.

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[-] [email protected] 37 points 1 week ago

Simple, they have more to loose than what they stand to gain.

There are almost certainly several high profile democrats on the list, they don't want to expose themselves so they are blocking the release.

But ok, let's assume that the list has zero democrats on it, that doesn't matter at this point, since it will be extremely difficult to find someone who the public can actually trust to give them real unbiased data.

The republicans knows that they can just lie and say that anyone in the democrats is on the list and just about everyone of their supporters will believe them

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[-] [email protected] 33 points 1 week ago

Because Democrats and Republicans are two sides of the same coin?

[-] [email protected] 22 points 1 week ago

Two sides of the same coin. The Dems claim to protect the underdog, the Reps claim to oppress the underdog. Each identity politics appeals to a different demographic.

The thing that's the same between them is that they ALWAYS protect capital.

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