I'm 30 years old and have taken a bus once in my entire life. Not because it sucks but because it's simply nonexistent. I'd have to drive 30 minutes just to get to the place that had the public transport and at that point I might as well just drive all the way there. And I don't even think the US has any trains that go between cities anymore except for commercial trains. I literally live next to a train track and it's all cargo trains. I've never seen a passenger car on a train in my entire life. Could just be where I live, but I've driven from coast to coast and the only trains are cargo trains.

Not too long ago, I saw a map showing where each train is in USA. Someone also posted a similar maps from Switzerland. Can you guess which one had more trains?

And yet this shit is better than americas rails? How?

Where I live there are 3 mass transit options. The airports, inter-city busses, and Amtrack. We generally get around by car.

Amtrack costs as much as taking a plane but takes as long (or longer) than the busses and is really only a viable option in the North East US. The US does have an extensive rail network that covers a most of the US, but it's mostly used for heavy freight. Most towns and cities don't have a passenger rail terminal anymore. We only have this option only because we are between Atlanta and New Orleans. Most places in the US don't have this option. Here's a map of the US rail network. If you go to layers you can hide everything except Amtrak routes to see what I mean. Link doesn't work in Firefox as a heads up.

The inter-city busses are usually only once a day (sometimes only once a week) and take forever to get anywhere and often have long layovers on the way. But they do go almost everywhere in the country. Company is called Greyhound if you want to look them up.

And finally, we have the local regional airport. Imagine what Berlin might have been like during the middle of the Cold War. It's probably not too far off the situation at our airports. Show ID at the entrance, Strip, Walk through the scanner while your stuff is riffled through, dress, Show ID again at the gate, and pray you don't get picked for a more thorough search or harassed by TSA which might cause you to miss your flight. Granted, I haven't flown in over a decade, but my last plane trip made me decide to never fly again if I could at all help it.

I thought it cute when I believed you were comparing bus service, but laughed out loud at "america's rails"

I am lucky enough to live along the rail line that connects the east coast to Chicago. It is the main connection between population centers. There are only 2 train lines that pass through, each line only has one train in both directions. (total 4 a day, 2 east, 2 west) No service during the day, only early morning and late night.

Rail service is a joke here.

Our buses are more of a suggestion even if they go to where you want.

DB: "At least we're not National Rail."

National Rail: "At least we're not Amtrak."

It's pretty much non-existent

I live around the Twin Cities metro of Minnesota (two cities split by a river), which installed its first passenger light rail about 20 years ago. I recently moved from the north suburbs to the south side of town. I was very excited to be able to drive 10 minutes east on the freeway to my buddy’s house within walking distance of a station to take the 10 minute light rail ride downtown for a basketball game. Previously I would have driven 20-40 minutes (depending on traffic congestion) to pay $20 to use a parking ramp because the light rail doesn’t extend north.

Over the last 20 years they have extended the rail between the airport/Mall of America on the south side to the downtown of one city, and connected that downtown to the downtown of the other city across the river. If you live anywhere north of the city proper, or more than a few miles away from the one line running south, there is little reason to use the rail system over driving the whole way. If you do though, it’s pretty great.

That’s just been my experience, my understanding is some larger cities (Chicago and NYC are what come to mind) have more robust rail systems, but many cities (mine at least) have limited access for most people living in them.

What’s American rail?

Our side of town has zero rail, and it would take about two hours on a bus to get home from downtown, 7 miles away. Oh, and the Amtrak train 7 miles away shows up once a day at 2am. And I could probably hitchhike to where I’m going faster than that shit train would get me there.

American transport outside of subway systems is literally unusable in most cases. The bus in my city of 1M+ people takes 1.5 hours to go about 20 minutes of distance by car. In some cases I can beat the bus to a destination on my bicycle.

DB is the definite proof that German efficiency is a lie, but tourists using urban transports in big cities will usually have a good experience. Even the public transports in Berlin have got their shit together in the last few years, even if S-Bahn/DB are still a level below BVG.

I'm British and I came to Berlin a couple of weeks ago.

That shit was 10x better than London and 100x better than the rest of the country

When I was in Australia, a bunch of people asked me about the public transport here and all of them were baffled when I told them how shit it was...

I have no idea where this perception that everything must be perfect in Germany or Europe came from but it is sooo outdated.

Speaking of tickets; in NSW you just tap your Opal card when entering/leaving train stations. It makes so much more sense and is so much easier.

I did some research and my city is almost 1:1 with Bielefeld Germany.

Bielefeld has 4 tram lines, 140 busses on a network that covers most of the city and established bike lanes. Wichita has 40 busses, 13 set bus routes, and 3 bike lanes in the whole city. I'm "lucky" enough to live two blocks from the nearest bus stop, but that bus route doesn't land anywhere near places I want to go. Great if you're in rehab thigh I guess.

San Francisco has a pretty good bus/trolley system. There might be other cities with decent busses but I’m unaware of them.

Some major cities like New York, Boston, Philly, Chicago have acceptable subways, and commuter rails. You can probably get a daily train from one city to the next. Example: you can take a train from Boston to NY once a day - it’s fairly ok, and probably preferable than driving for most people.

Most cities have busses that suck, and literally zero trains and subways.

Most Europeans don’t realize how big the US is, and how much of it is quite rural. It doesn’t make sense to build a rail to service the few dozen families in east bumfuck nowhere.

Getting a license to drive is, generally speaking, pretty easy from most states. Usually just a written test and a road test where you just have to drive around the block without breaking any rules.

Some city dwellers survive without cars, but they are kind of stuck in the city. When they want to get out, they’ll rent a car for the day.

When I saw "American rail" the first and only thought I had was of a porn parody of a movie: An American Rail: Fievel Bangs West.

United States has rails?

In a few cities it's good. NYC, Chicago, where white people live in DC, and maaaybe SFO come to mind. (LA your subway is only for movies, F off). Literally everywhere else it's a travesty of busses designed to institutionalize and reinforce classism and poverty. So it's bad, and no one wants to use a bus system (lack of tracks? Lack of charm!) of it served wealthier neighborhoods.

At least y'all have a system to be fucked up.

My kids have theoretical public transportation to school, work, we live near the bus routes in several directions.

To work or the high school - that bus runs 1 times per hour. So they can only arrive very early or very late, and it's about an hour walk to either of those.

The bus route to the university is actually pretty good, runs every half hour, and takes about 40 minutes to get there (vs. 10-15 minutes drive) then you have to trust your luck with the loop runner bus that goes from the transit center around the campus, that adds between 10 minutes and an hour, randomly because it has no schedule, just drives the loop all day and arrives whenever. There is an app that tracks it so you can know whether to risk crossing the huge road between the transfer ramp & the uni.

In the US transit mostly doesn't exist beyond buses that barely ever run.

there is none in most of the country, most cities just have buses where you might have to spend up to 30 minutes walking to the nearest stop to wait up to an hour

The Nürnberg zones

The VGN has the benefit of being yuge at least.

I think Brandenburg's is the whole state + Berlin. So that's even better.

Not like the Deutschlandticket has any real future unfortunately. Gotta see if it at least survives the Merz government.

As for DB - the ICE are horrible when it comes to reliability, but I found the regional trains actually mostly pretty good. Even if they have the tendency to be kinda dirty and always have broken toilets.

I took Amtrak long distance once, as a "it can't be that bad, can it?"

It was a 12 hour trip that got delayed 3+ hours in 30c heat and the car I was in had its A/C broken for ~3/4 of the trip.

Probably could have driven for 8-10 hours instead for cheaper and cooler.