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[-] [email protected] 24 points 20 hours ago

It's important to remember that the headline refers to the group Palestine action, which has carried out vandalisation of historical pieces, occupations of property, destruction etc (see here). So it's a group that fits the UK definition of an extremist group.

Some political groups (or even branches of them) can be political cults trapping members with coercive control It's not always idealistic well meaning people. The court that decreed them an unlawful group will have seen a lot of info we didn't.

I think we need to look deeper than the headline

[-] [email protected] 11 points 17 hours ago

It's important to remember that the headline refers to the group Palestine action

Coming into this thread, thinking that you couldn't legally support Palestine in the UK anymore, I feel like the headline was just a bit misleading.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 16 hours ago

Yep it's total clickbait, it's bordering on misinformation

[-] [email protected] 2 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

By that very definition the US insurrectionists should be reintroduced to jail

[-] [email protected] 3 points 17 hours ago

Double Jeopardy. You need to get them for something else... Not that it would be hard to find something, I guess

[-] [email protected] 2 points 17 hours ago

I'd personally class that as terrorism. And they absolutely should be in jail.

[-] [email protected] 10 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

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2020ish...Two Presidents team up to create a world without Palestinians.

1940ish...Two dictators team up to create a world without Jews.

[-] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago

Can someone explain why so many countries support what’s happening in Palestine? Whats going on behind the scenes here?

[-] [email protected] 2 points 16 hours ago

Let's be honest: No country would act different from Israel when facing a situation as with Gaza. No country could tolerate an attack like Oct 7th on its territory, esp with everything that happened before with all the rocket and suicide attacks. Just think about how the Americans reacted to 9/11. They started bombing Afghanistan and Iraq even if both countries really didn't have much to do with 9/11. In this case it would be a scenario like "9/11 was done by a narco cartel in a small part of Mexico where central authority lost control" or something like that.

Combine it with the fact that all western states have no sympathies for islamist extremists like Hamas, because they are not muslim and also because most western states suffered from islamist attacks. Most states also see Hamas (an Hezbollah) as an Iranian proxy militia (which they are) and have also no sympathies to Iran, its theocratic dictatorship, its nuclear program and its military alliance with Russia.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 15 hours ago

I don't think this is honesty because you are only addressing Hamas. Of course any nation would respond to an Oct. 7th type event, but Israel has very obviously gone far beyond that. The pogroms in the West Bank for example, there's no connection between Hamas and the villages being emptied and seized. Smotrich and his ilk have been very explicit about the intent of Israeli actions.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 21 hours ago

The idea that the actions of world powers are in any way governed by morality is largely a myth. Politicians will try to twist reality and use morality to justify killing people abroad and sometimes morality does align with their interests by coincidence.

But the motivations are always about furthering financial and strategic interests. See the overthrow of the Iranian regime in 1953 to protect oil interests, CIA coups and supporting murderous dictators in countless South American and other countries around the world, the recent Iraq war etc. If a government gets elected somewhere that would threaten our business interests (by taxing or nationalising them for example), we have historically supported bloody coups to remove them and install murderous facist regimes that enable us to keep making money at the cost of countless innocent lives.

Strategic in the sense that we prevent other powers in a region from becoming strong enough to challenge us. Keeping ourselves on top and in charge by keeping others down. Israel is a valuable ally in this regard - they maintain power in the region by keeping others down and keep them focused more on destroying Israel than attacking us.

Palestinian lives aren't important to our governments. They have no real power and there's no real profit to be made from them. Our strategic interest in supporting Israel will always trump any humanitarian interest in preventing genocide.

[-] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Most western countries have committed genocide or invasion in very recent history. Either in the context of WWII, colonialism or economic interests. Countries don't magically change over night. Wouldn't it be more surprising if they didn't support their ally?

[-] [email protected] 4 points 21 hours ago

Most ~~western~~ countries have committed genocide or invasion in very recent history. Either in the context of WWII, colonialism or economic interests. ~~Countries~~ people don't magically change over night. Wouldn't it be more surprising if they didn't support their ally?

There. Fixed that for you. Dont have to thank me, its good.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

Big Israeli lobby. Bribes and Epstein blackmail.

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[-] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago

At risk of sounding like that dipshit Vance, you guys don’t have free speech, not really. The uk seems to exist in a “yes, but no” realm. The press can’t report on trials such that it might influence outcome. 1988 law iirc. That’s smart, but it’s still a guardrail on speech. Some of the arrests and even sentences over there, for speech and sometimes even ideology related infractions, are a bit wild. I remember reading something about a woman being fined for calling her ex a leprechaun on social media.

That said, I feel a need to reiterate how crazy this defense of war and slaughter is. I’ve been a casual observer at best but I do not understand why either government cares if a people across an ocean (who are not and never will be boots on the ground for either side of this war) say they don’t like a war. So what? The war will rage on regardless of wether or not college students in Michigan walk around outside on a nice day holding signs. Or if some guy in London posts an objection on social media. That’s not even a speed bump to this war or either government if either government even sees or hears any of it. So why does either government even care? Why even spend energy on that? For them, it’s like a volume setting that maybe can’t be turned to zero, but in the end it’s just a bit of noise to them. So why bother? The war will continue. As such, their reaction makes no sense whatsoever.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

I think it makes sense when you consider there are many government workers who do not support the genocide of Palestinians, and would be more vocal about it if they the political capital that, say, a large protest nets you.

It's actually possible to end this with only the ingredients we have available right now.

[-] [email protected] 20 points 1 day ago

The Met statement (https://news.met.police.uk/news/update-on-policing-in-london-following-proscription-of-palestine-action-499157) includes a 'report your neighbour' statement; "If you see material supporting terrorism online report it – visit www.gov.uk/ACT

You can also report suspicious activity by contacting the police in confidence on 0800 789 321."

Use this information wisely.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

And i thought police in the V for Vendetta movie was extreme. Reality is a bitch.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 20 hours ago

Just for the record, I support Palestine action. I condemn the genocide being perpetrated on the Palestinian people by the state of Israel.

[-] [email protected] 113 points 2 days ago

Just to be clear because everybody seems to be missing this point.

Palestinian Action, is an organisation. Membership of that group is banned, it is not illegal to support Palestinians or to call out Israel's genocide. The government doesn't like it when you do, but it's not actually illegal for you to do it.

This organisation broke into a UK air force base in order to protest. They are not being charged because they protested, they're being charged for breaking in and damaging a lot of military equipment. I think it's a bit far to call them terrorists, but you can sort of see the government's point, if you squint.

The UK government does however absolutely deserve to get it in the neck for their support of Israel. Labour have had a pretty awkward relationship with Israel in particular and anti-Semitism in general for a long time, and they're now keen to be seen as supporters, but there are limits.

[-] [email protected] 21 points 1 day ago

Thank you for this clarification. This is an extremely important context. "Palestine Action" is the particular name of a very specific organization, so the title of the article is obviously a bit misleading.

Still very worrying and more than a bit concerning, though. Here's to hoping for a future strengthening of UK speech laws. Though, frankly, I'm not so sure about US speech laws anymore. Cheers.

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[-] [email protected] 1 points 20 hours ago

Does free speech or democracy exist if the oligarchs/states that buy your politicians/rulers force you to support those states? What would Idi Amin do (perhaps most self enriching open corrupt ruler, or the narrative that gets pinned on a ruler who shifts away from US empire)? Or as in history, UK first decided it was illegal to oppose Idi Amin (support his rivals) to later being illegal to support Idi Amin?

"To know who rules over you, notice who you are not allowed to criticize"

IIUC, it is only Palestine support that is illegal. You may still advocate for UK/NATO war on Israel or at least elimination of support, and elimination of politicians who support Israel. Limiting speech to support for all wars your rulers prefer is the most oppressive of democratic speech.

[-] [email protected] 7 points 20 hours ago

It's a particular group not Palestine in general. The headline is misleading

[-] [email protected] 33 points 1 day ago

Every British politician belongs in a mass grave. Just a total stain on humanity

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[-] [email protected] 52 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Not only is the ruling wrong - it is the very thing it claims to be opposing. It is itself an act of terrorism, carried out with the intention of inspiring fear in the British public to further a political agenda.

In every way, the British government is replicating the actions it accuses PA of - except that the scale of harm to British society and the terror inspired is magnitudes greater, and performed in service of the opposite political goal.

This is a terror attack by the government against the British people.

The British people's opinion and will are the thing from which the goverment gains it's only source of legitimacy - and they do not line up with the government on this issue.

But evidently the government believes in a different model of legitimacy: they believe that legitimacy is derived from the mere fact that they hold power. In the mind of the government and it's supporters, the difference between a terrorist organisation and a legitimate government is just power and only power. To them, right and wrong has absolutely nothing to do with it. They think that they are winning, and that they are going to get away with it. Nothing else matters.

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[-] [email protected] 24 points 1 day ago

Time to make a new group and to spite them call it "palestine 2 action"

[-] [email protected] 16 points 1 day ago

2 Palestine 2 Action

[-] [email protected] 0 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

the group broke into RAF Brize Norton, vandalizing and damaging two Royal Air Force Airbus A330 MRTT refuelling planes by spraying paint into their engines

Doing extremistic things and being surprised to be classified as extremists... Ahm... Alright...

will be illegal to say "I support Palestine Action"

Just say "I support Palestine" instead. Problem solved.... Saves oxygen and could have prevented the Lemmy post.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 15 hours ago

This is actually a big deal. They've been proscribed as terrorists in the same way as ISIS, Hezbollah, Atomwaffen etc.
They are a direct action protest group, and they are criminals (at least the members that vandalised property) but they aren't terrorists. And now, under UK law, expressing support for them is an offence. This is a huge misuse of terrorism legislation. 27 people were arrested yesterday for recording their support for Palestine Action.

[-] [email protected] 22 points 1 day ago

There are few things I like about being an American, but one of them is the first amendment. It doesn't always work, and Trump is sure to try some shit like this soon, but at least I know for now I won't go to prison for saying that I do indeed support Palestine Action

[-] [email protected] 59 points 1 day ago

You could absolutely go to prison for it. A group of people in an unmarked van can grab you, send you to a prison in your country or even somewhere else, where you will be tortured possibly to death, and even if there will be an international fuss about it, nobody will ever do anything about it.
There is no more laws in your country, none.

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[-] [email protected] 21 points 1 day ago

As long they can send people to torture prisons without due process or evidence, we do NOT have a First Amendment.

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[-] [email protected] 35 points 1 day ago

That's good reason to remind people, that law is written by particular people, mostly to protect those people interests.

[-] [email protected] 31 points 1 day ago

Feeding, housing and guarding someone for 14 years has got to be ridiculously expensive. All for uttering a few words.

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