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And from the glowing reviews it's clear that

  1. W11 doesn't actually need a new PC to run and the limitations are completely artificial

  2. For many people, a ten years old PC is fast enough (or even faster than a brand new Intel N100 PC that is officially W11 compatible). They won't even notice that's something from 2015, as long it has a shiny new case, enough RAM and SSD

  3. Amazon doesn't care that the PC comes with pirated software, or that someone is scamming their customers, as long they get their 15% cut from marketplace sales (the cost of a genuine license of W11 pro and office exceeds the price of those ewaste specials)

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[-] [email protected] 61 points 1 week ago

It's not actually eWaste you can buy a TPM chip for it, or ya know Linux.

[-] [email protected] 60 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Windows 11 doesn't actually need the tpm. They just check: "oh it's Intel 6th gen, it's trash from the last decade, sorry incompatible ewaste, buy a new one"

Intel 6th gen + tpm chip = still "incompatible"

Their marketing told us the lie "it needs tpm and secure boot" but they actually check if it has introduced to the market after 2018 or not

In those units the scammer patched the install image to install without the check. Who buys this will get a surprise when in the next months the next update comes out and refuse to install (25h1?)

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[-] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago

I've formatted and installed W11 on dozens of computers and never had it fail once. My gaming rig is an Optiplex from 2014, runs 11 just fine.

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[-] [email protected] 56 points 1 week ago

Switch to Linux and keep using your current computer. Tell Microsoft to pound sand.

[-] [email protected] 45 points 1 week ago

I dont think the people buying these even know what linux is.

[-] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago

Very possible.

[-] [email protected] 44 points 1 week ago

I keep repeating this, my i5 750 (2009 pc), oc at 3.6ghz can do any fucking thing most people do with their computer. With a 1060 gpu, It plays like 90% of the games , I've made pro audio and video projects on it, even a small vr game.

[-] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Yeah no, calling cap on that.

It'll run most indies and triple A game from 6-7y ago.

It'll be a real bottle neck for recent games. And especially for the only game that truly matters, rimworld.

I am running an n150 on a secondary mini pc. On paper it's twice as fast as your cpu. It drives me crazy how slow it can be at times when running multiple tabs or apps at the same time. You're delusional if you think your cpu is still up to snuff in 2025

[-] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I think people tend to forget that the vast majority of people don't even play games on their computer. Like when I mention this computer, I always get "Nah, this wont play Elden Ring at 4k 120 fps, just throw it to the garbage". But my parents, sisters, most of my friends dont give a damn about gaming. And this computer is definitely fast enough for all my personal gaming needs.

Another thing, is that gaming streaming services are now super efficient. I could literally play Doom the Dark Age at 1080p on Xbox Game pass with this PC, and I sometimes subscribe to PS+ to play Playstation exclusives.

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[-] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago

Serious question, why haven't you upgraded to an i7 yet? They'd have to be super cheap at this point, right?

[-] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago

I mean, it's not my work PC anymore, but this one has been my main entertainment system for years now. I really don't need to upgrade and create e-waste to gain a little bit of performance. I haven't even installed Linux on it yet, still on win 10, but that will make it even faster. It's my firm belief that like 80% of the people would be fine with 15+ years old computers.

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[-] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago

I used to have that CPU, but found it absolutely dying on it's arse for VR Chat (which is notoriously badly optimised). I got a i5-8400 instead, which is about twice as fast for single threaded work (which is still the main bottleneck for most games). Your overclock would take it a decent amount of the way there, but most people aren't going to do that, and it was getting a bit iffy even when I replaced it. Runs hot as well, I expect.

Since then they've got about twice as fast again. You don't have to spend a lot on them to get that either. A Ryzen 9600X will have me set for the next 15 years (assuming they don't ditch x86 CPUs altogether). AMD being competitive again has down wonders for performance boosts. Motherboards seem a lot more expensive these days though.

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[-] [email protected] 43 points 1 week ago

It's Amazon. Of course it's a scam. I always tell elderly people it's a criminal enterprise scamming old people when they ask about it.

[-] [email protected] 43 points 1 week ago

Those are newer than the CPU I'm typing this on, they're not waste

[-] [email protected] 18 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

They dont officially support windows 11 and the avg users are not going to know any better. It's a grey area scam. They're not worth $400 at all.

But 1000% not waste to a tech person. My oldest machines right now we're decommissioned workstations with 8th gen i5s that I used for seedbox, DNS/pihole, proxmox, etc. they won't get windows installed and I'll drive them til they literally die. Backed up with veaam to a second truenas, easily swapped out and back up and running with any failure. I love older tech because it's cheap and as long as you know what you're doing, it works well.

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[-] [email protected] 35 points 1 week ago

Those aren't eWaste. Those are Mint machines.

[-] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago

Not worth hundreds though

[-] [email protected] 32 points 1 week ago

Meanwhile I am waiting to buy a good "unsupported by Windows 11" PC cheap this October.

[-] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago

Same. Should be rock bottom prices.

[-] [email protected] 31 points 1 week ago

... a ten years old PC is...

... that's something from 2015, ...

Oh my! 2015 was 10 years ago?

[-] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Aa of July 1st we're closer to 2050 than 2000

Edit: 2020 -> 2000, derp

[-] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago

Hahah. I think you should double check your sources. As far as I know 5 years is less than 25

[-] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago

To be fair, the year 2020 was a very long couple of decades.

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[-] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago

You sure about that? Maybe you meant 2000 not 2020? Regardless, not sure how to feel about that…

[-] [email protected] 21 points 1 week ago

This is so wrong

  • Windows 11 requires 8th gen Intel or newer. You can bypass it but you lose official support and more importantly things will break down the line.

  • Those listing are not what I would call "full price"

  • You can buy a old 8th gen Intel system off of eBay for less than 100€

[-] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago

Yeah, those are basically Mini PC prices. The CPU alone used to cost more than that.

The specs look perfectly adequate (I'm still running very similar for daily use), and 1TB SSD and 32GB RAM should keep you going no matter how many tabs you open or how bloated your PC gets.

Personally I'd get a new Ryzen Mini PC for that kind of money just for the form factor, but they're hardly a scam. The main issue is that the crowd this is aimed at have very little use for a PC these days.

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[-] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago

Oh nooooo, however will I do the needful without Microsoft's world famous blue ribbon customer support.

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[-] [email protected] 19 points 1 week ago

I thought all Lemmy users were running Linux?

[-] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)
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[-] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago

Stop purchasing from Amazon

[-] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago

Folks, the sooner you dip your toe into Linux the better. Don't let these mega corps tell you how to use your own stuff. Buck the trends and break free.

[-] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago

I've been thinking about it, but I probably wouldn't be able to run my driving sim gear on it. I think I might get a cheap second-hand laptop to play around with it, though.

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[-] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Could you explain why you consider these overpriced/scam? If those use new parts and come with warranty, at least the top one, seems fine. Can you do a breakdown of what it should cost?

My Windows PC has i5-6500 in it and I definitely don't consider it e-waste.

[-] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago

I call it ewaste because it is coming from that. Banks and corporations change computers every 3-5 years because accounting love to lease rather to buy

Those computers go to ewaste centers, then some not honest sellers take the components (that usually were left on 24/7 because in offices nobody bothers to turn off computers) and put them in brand new cases

That's why is a scam, selling old stuff that came from an ewaste center as brand new

[-] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago

So keeping it from being actual ewaste it's now going to be used by someone... That seems like a good thing.

The only downside I see is that it isn't disclosed

[-] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago

My gripe with that is that the seller is scamming inexperienced people, they think that they are buying a brand new PC while instead it's not

(The fact that a 400 euro PC includes 600 euro of software licenses should ring a bell about the legitimacy to the buyer, though)

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[-] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago

They don't support Windows 11

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[-] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago

the lenghts people will go because they refuse to consider the penguin.

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[-] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago

I got the one on the top (minus storage and ram) from a local university surplus store for $30 a few years ago. Lenovo brand but same form factor.

[-] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago

If you think that 210€ is full price for a pc then you require some research assistance.

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[-] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago

lol, the one on top is the same i bought in 2016, crazy still on the market. I still have the CPU, replaced motherboard, case, and other goodies over the years

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