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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The problem that I have with the way Apple does this has nothing whatsoever to do with me. It's their device, it is not possible for me to care any less about it.

No, the problem I have is that it becomes a severe bullying / exclusion tactic among kids. Now, kids will always find something to bully other kids about, but this one seems to hurt a lot because of the source of the ire and the inability to do anything about it (short of purchasing an Apple device).

My eldest was excluded from group chats with friends because they "ruined" the quality of pictures and videos by being in the group chat. These are friends mind you, not the sort of bullies the rest of us might've had. It's devastating to kids when their friends exclude them like this. What do you do? You can't complain about the technology not mattering, you can't reason with it, you can't say: "it gets better".

Kids these days have a very different relationship to technology. That relationship can seem weird or "wrong" to folks who remember a time before these ubiquitous devices. Crap patterns like this creating artificial walled gardens are not "novel" or "creative" ways to increase sales.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hell, adults and "friends" of mine really seem to care that I have an android. They constantly bring it up as if they think bullying another adult into buying their specific product will somehow work or maybe they think that it bothers me or something. I could not care less. Start a new chat without me and the other android users? Cool, go ahead. Spoiler: they won't.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Or they have and haven't told you, as I've experienced multiple times now (as an adult in my thirties, no less). It's why I fell out of my bar trivia group, they slowly forgot to send us Android users (aka my partner and I) texts separately, so we just drifted out of that circle.

It's comical how petty so many adults get about the bubbles too, and absolutely refuse to consider using anything else. Luckily my partner was on the Pixel train like me before we met, so it's not an issue there, but suggest Signal, Telegram, or hell, even Facebook Messenger (which they all have as well), and you just get befuddlement in response. Even my mother, who is in her fifties and is a department director at her job, gets perpetual shit from her coworkers re: the staff group chats that just can't go into Slack for whatever reason, as she's the lone Android user in that whole bunch. None of these people even grew up with cellphones of any type, and yet they're just as petty about messaging as any socially-obsessed teen.

Oh well, no skin off my back, and if anything this petty behavior from a subset of iOS users is basically an anti-advertisement to me.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Not to make light of your kids situation, but sending pics/videos over mms is horrible they aren't being metaphorical when they say it ruins the chats. Imagine compressing a video to < 1MB and you would get something unseeable. Now i would recommned they all switch to snapchat, its very popular and wont mess with the group chat no matter the device used :)

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Is it just me that has literally never heard anyone bring up the colour of bubbles irl? Like I've seen people talk about it on the internet from time to time but never in the real world.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's more of a thing amongst the newer generations.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I am the newer generations though

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

In that case, congrats on having a good group of non-petty friends!

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (4 children)

All these text and emoji features that are being added into apple but are not compatible with Android: this seems like a problem....

Until you download signal.

It has great features for group messaging, video calling, emojis and is generally feature rich.

And it's end-to-end encrypted when messaging other signal users.

It's available on iOS and Android.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Does it offer SMS?

Because I'm not going to ask someone to download an app so I can talk to them.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Not anymore... which is dumb

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The hard part is getting others to join. If all of your fam has iPhones and you are the one Android person, getting them all to join Signal just for you is a tall order.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

The EU is already legislating to solve this. They are forcing open APIs on iMessage with the DMA.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Reading through the comments in this thread, I'd just like to mention how amusing it is to see so many people in the fediverse arguing in favor of walled gardens and vendor lock-in. Like, do you even know where you are?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The solution is to just use something like Signal.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Unfortunately most of the US user base would rather cling to any sort of elitism than actually search for a solution to an invented problem.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

This does seem to be a US centric problem, I don't know anyone who still uses SMS, everyone seems to use Facebook Messenger/WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal here

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Owh dammit what now. I haven't read it yet but I'm already tired of it

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Hang on ... I set a picture on MY phone and then anyone I call sees MY picture? Oh yeah, can't see how this'll go wrong. How long before dick picks are sent, or advertisements, or someone finds a way to use it to hack someones phone.

I can see this could be useful, especially folks with eye sight issues (but how would this affect blind folks?), but it's just another way to tell someone who is calling. I don't answer my phone unless they're in my contact book already.

This seems eh to me, but I'm not an Apple person anyway.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

especially folks with eye sight issues

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but don't some phones already call out the name of the caller for blind people? Heard it on a train once, maybe a feature I can't seem to find on my phone.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Yep, this is also a common feature for phones for seniors.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

This was the first thing I thought too. I got to find that comic about "time-to-penis" stats.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Nobody except nerds like us care about RCS.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

So... here's a hot take I guess (disclaimer: i am an iphone user): People who are actively complaining about Apple having features that are unique to its platform don't know how products work. Apple created this technology and design themselves and other companies want to leech off the features. We should want competition like iMessage vs whatever Android uses. For anyone to basically say Google doesn't have the ability or resources to create an actual competitor is silly. They absolutely can make an alternative, but they choose not to. Google becomes complacent and progress slows or completely stops. I'd rather have a product that is FEATURE-FULL than feature-less. Additionally, this contact feature thing is neat, but I wouldn't call it a "game-changer" or revolutionary. It's similar to the super old ability that some cellular providers had/have where you could play a specific song instead of the calling tone.

Thank you for coming to my TED Talk. 😒

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The issue is that if Google does create a competitor, or an open standards competitor is created, like RCS vs iMessage, Apple isn't going to implement that, or in any way interoperate with it. So even if Google or someone else made a better system that worked beautifully on Android and any hypothetical alternatives, but Apple only implemented their own system and refused to share, things would remain shit. Which is exactly where we are.

Apple doesn't want to live in a world where multiple brands and types of mobile phones operating systems exist harmoniously. They want to intentionally make life difficult for anyone who didn't buy an iPhone. In the process they make it intentionally difficult for people who did buy an iPhone, because their communications with non-iPhone friends are hampered.

They're also egging easily influenced teenagers on to shame other teenagers for having "worse" phones and creating unnecessary divides and unhappiness among friends. All so kids will bully other kids into buying iPhones.

None of these features are difficult to invent or implement. They should all be open standards and iPhone users and Android users should all together be angry at Apple for putting a malicious profit motive above the creation of a smooth and universally interoperable user experience.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The issue is that if Google does create a competitor, or an open standards competitor is created, like RCS vs iMessage, Apple isn't going to implement that, or in any way interoperate with it. So even if Google or someone else made a better system that worked beautifully on Android and any hypothetical alternatives, but Apple only implemented their own system and refused to share, things would remain shit. Which is exactly where we are.

If Google had a popular competitor to iMessage, Apple users would feel left out, and that's what would force integration.

All they had to do was add sms to one of their chat apps, and people would have migrated over word of mouth for the extra features slowly overtime.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is uniquely an issue in the U.S. because there are plenty of popular cross-platform competitors that are widely used in Europe: WhatsApp, Signal, Telegram.

iMessage is unpopular in Europe precisely because it's not interoperable and your friend group will look at you funny if you want to use some stupid system that only works on iPhones.

Nobody uses SMS for anything here, aside from notifications from businesses and such.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

All they had to do was add sms to one of their chat apps, and people would have migrated over word of mouth for the extra features slowly overtime.

You just described "Google Hangouts".

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Just use signal. In general.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Unfortunately this is what makes iPhones "iPhones"

They bring out features that generally make the phone part of the smartphone better to use.

RCS is still a mess on androids. And calling on iPhones is about to feel very modern while android phones will still be calling people the same way people did 20 years ago.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

TBH I don't really want want to anything to do with people that see me as less because I don't have a fancy calling animation anyway.

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